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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=118396" rel="nofollow">LeerroooyJenkins</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/23/2013 at 3:20pm<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/lone-star-college-shooting_n_2527806.html here is that report on that last one, since it hasn't been getting much coverage]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  ANOTHER SHOOTING! We&amp;#039;re...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/23/2013 at 7:21am<br /><br />ANOTHER SHOOTING! We're #1! we're #1. 5th shooting on school campus in 2013 just happened in texas.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : Read this yesterday, it&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=223170" rel="nofollow">panther</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/03/2013 at 10:51am<br /><br />Read this yesterday, it's an excellent take on both sides of the gun-control issue, with quite a few facts and good points to back it up.<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Personally, as Sam Harris states in the article, I feel like a huge part of this issue is money and funding. &nbsp;If police officers were paid $100k/year, think how many would be lining up to join the service, allowing increased protection in schools, malls, theaters, etc, granted the quality of training remained high. &nbsp;The only way to effectively engage an attacker with guns or even knives is using a gun. &nbsp;Banning them altogether is unrealistic. &nbsp;Deterring attacks by increasing emphasis on those that can protect and are sworn and capable to do so will help with the problem.</div>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxOZ-fbe6M  ...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=169033" rel="nofollow">vicente</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/03/2013 at 10:23am<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaxOZ-fbe6M]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=221662" rel="nofollow">GOBANANAS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/03/2013 at 10:04am<br /><br /><img src="http://cdn.motinetwork.net/motifake.com/image/demotivati&#111;nal-poster/1207/america-america-intelligence-brains-stupidity-ignorance-demotivati&#111;nal-posters-1343382322.jpg" border="0" alt="demotivati&#111;nal poster AMERICA" title="demotivati&#111;nal poster AMERICA" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 10:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : i agree with julius about people...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/02/2013 at 11:39am<br /><br />i agree with julius about people being irresponsible gun owners. accidental gun deaths hover around 600 per year.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :    Originally posted by GoldDragonThis...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan/01/2013 at 6:20pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by GoldDragon</strong></em><br /><br />This shooting was to push the gun control law. But it is one of the most stupid ways to do that. R.I.P all those kids.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>what the hell are you talking about? thats bull</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by julius77</strong></em><br /><br />^People need to assign blame somewhere. I think assault rifles and high round mags are going to go away for a bit.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>they just need to be stricter with them. They don't need to go away. What's so bad about limiting the usage of them. Why do people need them?</div><div><br></div><div>Having them just because you can or want to is fine, as long as you lock them up. We need to figure something out about that.</div></div>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : This shooting was to push the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=331668" rel="nofollow">GoldDragon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/31/2012 at 10:14am<br /><br />This shooting was to push the gun control law. But it is one of the most stupid ways to do that. R.I.P all those kids.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : ^People need to assign blame somewhere....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=42321" rel="nofollow">julius77</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/31/2012 at 10:05am<br /><br />^People need to assign blame somewhere. I think assault rifles and high round mags are going to go away for a bit.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : I can see your point, but to the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/30/2012 at 5:35pm<br /><br />I can see your point, but to the extent of banning guns or the higher round mags, not too sure.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by bwestonThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/29/2012 at 9:35am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bweston</strong></em><br /><br />The VT shooter had multiple ten round magazines and I didn't see anyone charging him while he was reloading.  The time it takes to reload is minimal, whether it be 2-3 seconds or 8.  Cops won't arrive on the scene any faster and the average person won't try and attack the shooter in the couple seconds they have between reloads.  Human instict is to hide or run not wait for a 5 second window to attack the person. &nbsp;<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I'm not just saying it gives people an&nbsp;opportunity to&nbsp;attack the shooter while they reload, people can also run and hide. If someone was shooting up a building I was in, I would rather him have 10 rd&nbsp;magazines, but I guess thats just me.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by julius77 Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320370" rel="nofollow">Lux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/29/2012 at 8:17am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by julius77</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by lightning80</strong></em><br /><br />the guns reload much faster in video games <img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></td></tr></table> <div></div>You also get multiple lives.</td></tr></table><div>The Counter-strike franchise is on sale on Steam. Get it while it's hot.</div><div>Bomb has been planted!</div><div><a href="http://store.steampowered.com/sale/wintersale2012_counterstrikefranchise" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://cdn2.steampowered.com/v/gfx/subs/16223/header_586x192.jpg" border="0" /></div><div>http://store.steampowered.com/sale/wintersale2012_counterstrikefranchise</a></div>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : The VT shooter had multiple ten...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/29/2012 at 12:22am<br /><br />The VT shooter had multiple ten round magazines and I didn't see anyone charging him while he was reloading.  The time it takes to reload is minimal, whether it be 2-3 seconds or 8.  Cops won't arrive on the scene any faster and the average person won't try and attack the shooter in the couple seconds they have between reloads.  Human instict is to hide or run not wait for a 5 second window to attack the person.  To be clear this is my personal opinion and we all have one although many will differ, but I don't agree with what our media and Govt. are trying to classify as assault weapons.  I have a pellet gun that resembles an "assault weapon" and I posted a picture of it on facebook and the majority of the responses were that it was an assault weapon and needed to be banned.  A ban is being put into place on the aesthetics of a gun not its functionality.  Mass shootings aren't as common as people believe.  Same as plane crashes, they are rare but they stick in your head for a long time.  I don't believe anyone needs a AR 15 but we also don't need cars that go 100+ mph when the max speed limit is 75.  The ban the Govt. is trying to put into place would affect 80% and it would only be a starting point to pretty much put every gun into the assault class to the point they would take all of our guns.  <br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=42321" rel="nofollow">julius77</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 12:01pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by lightning80</strong></em><br /><br />the guns reload much faster in video games <img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>You also get multiple lives.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 10:29am<br /><br />the guns reload much faster in video games <img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=42321" rel="nofollow">julius77</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 10:19am<br /><br />Just because our constitution grants us the right to bear arms, does that mean we are entitles to all types of guns? I'm glad owners like AJD13 are responsible with their firearms. I am also responsible with mine and know where they are at all times. However, I also know of many shooters who are less responsible. Often, after hunting trips or the range, guns and shells are left in cars, out on garage or basement tables to be cleaned, in the houses, etc. Not everyone chooses to put away their toys after playing. Since this irresponsibility probably won't change in many people, and stolen guns continue to account for the majority of gun-related crimes, should we restrict certain types of firearms to decrease the chance that these will be used against lawful citizens? Is 'being really fun to shoot' (which they are) enough reason to allow the average joe access to assault weapons? I don't know. What I do know is this- the average person is a farking idiot. This means that half of the population is dumber than that guy. Should we allow more&nbsp;high power, rapid fire, high round guns in the hands of irresponsible people? Training would help, but people tend to fall back into old patterns. It's concerning to say the least.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  Originally posted by MTpow Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 9:28am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by MTpow</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />The large magazine still makes a big difference. Lets say he only had 10 rd clips, compared to the 30. There was multiple shots to get into the building as well as in the hallways where he gunned down staff members before entering the classrooms. That would have been at least one reload probably two, in such a chaotic moment I doubt he was cool and calm and could reload the gun in just a few seconds. This would have bought the staff a little bit more time to protect the kids, not to mention once he ran out of bullets someone could have attempted to tackle him or whatever while hes reloading.&nbsp;<DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>The million dollar question is how are they going to remove these large capacity magazines from the market, there has got to be millions of them.</DIV></td></tr></table><BR><BR>reloading anything with a clip shouldn't take more than a couple seconds.... regardless of clip size... just saying... <BR></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>it does, just sayin.....</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  Originally posted by bwestonDiviesti,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 9:27am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bweston</strong></em><br /><br />Diviesti, how would more time allow protection for the kids. I'm not trying to be argumentative just curious of your perspective. I don't believe hiding under desks or closets are protection against a firearm. If it was the other side of the school and you are evacuating the children, how much further can they get in a couple seconds?</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Still don't believe theres anyway he could reload his gun in less than&nbsp;8 seconds from the time the last bullet left the chamber to the time it takes to pull a clip out of whatever he was using to hold them. Proffesional target shooters have it down to 2-3 seconds in a controlled enviornment and they do it for a living. He didnt have near that much experience and I doubt he was calm and could just take it out and put one in like he was at&nbsp;a picnic.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now the school shooting is obviously a unique experience because the kids couldnt really defend themselves, but most mass shootings have&nbsp;taken place where the victims are old enough to run, to attack the shooter while he reloads or whatever. Regardless more time to hide, lock the doors, call the police, defend themselves while hes reloading is better than less time.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by diviestiThe...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=92781" rel="nofollow">MTpow</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 9:01am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />The large magazine still makes a big difference. Lets say he only had 10 rd clips, compared to the 30. There was multiple shots to get into the building as well as in the hallways where he gunned down staff members before entering the classrooms. That would have been at least one reload probably two, in such a chaotic moment I doubt he was cool and calm and could reload the gun in just a few seconds. This would have bought the staff a little bit more time to protect the kids, not to mention once he ran out of bullets someone could have attempted to tackle him or whatever while hes reloading.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The million dollar question is how are they going to remove these large capacity magazines from the market, there has got to be millions of them.</div></td></tr></table><br><br>reloading anything with a clip shouldn't take more than a couple seconds.... regardless of clip size... just saying... <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 8:49am<br /><br />Diviesti, how would more time allow protection for the kids.  I'm not trying to be argumentative just curious of your perspective.  I don't believe hiding under desks or closets are protection against a firearm.  If it was the other side of the school and you are evacuating the children, how much further can they get in a couple seconds?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 8:46am<br /><br />Personally, I use my AR for hunting and recreational shooting.  It is a fun gun to shoot.  We have a lot of farm land and the wild hogs tear it up.  Four or five of us will go out and shoot as many as possible.  When you have a group of 50 or more it is nice to have the AR.  I also have a mini 14 that I previously used, works the same.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/28/2012 at 7:52am<br /><br />I have shot an AR-15 before and loved it. I just dont think i would ever spend over a grand on a gun. But besides fun why would you buy one? im just would like to understand other reasons. That being said i spend a lot of money on snowboarding and im sure there are people out there that are wondering why i would do the same thing.&nbsp;<div>Also yesterday i let a drunk guy into my house because he was lost and was freezing. he was in my place for an hour warming up and waiting for a cab. it was really tense though. he thought we let him in so we could kill him and both my roommate and i were on edge the whole time wondering if he had a weapon. sad state of the world when we get tricked into thinking that everyone out there is physco and trying to kill or steal from you. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/27/2012 at 10:34am<br /><br />The large magazine still makes a big difference. Lets say he only had 10 rd clips, compared to the 30. There was multiple shots to get into the building as well as in the hallways where he gunned down staff members before entering the classrooms. That would have been at least one reload probably two, in such a chaotic moment I doubt he was cool and calm and could reload the gun in just a few seconds. This would have bought the staff a little bit more time to protect the kids, not to mention once he ran out of bullets someone could have attempted to tackle him or whatever while hes reloading.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>The million dollar question is how are they going to remove these large capacity magazines from the market, there has got to be millions of them.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/27/2012 at 7:36am<br /><br />I agree fully.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=75505" rel="nofollow">ABrad25</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/27/2012 at 6:17am<br /><br />We need to be like the Swiz it sounds like. The lowest crime rate in the world, so low they don't even include gun related things into their stats. The reason why? They all have and are trained in gun use by law.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/27/2012 at 12:58am<br /><br />Richardvoyageur, I don't see how you read the article and feel his opinion is biased.  He simply put the numbers out there for everyone to see.  He described the media's definition of "assault weapon" and how each description adds nothing to the actual mechanics of any gun.  What our politicians have deemed an assault weapon due to barrel shrouds, collapsable stock, attachment rails, etc. don't affect how the gun fires.  In an ideal situation law enforcement are 5 minutes away.  So a few more seconds to change out a 10 round mag rather than a 30 round mag doesn't change the situation any. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163621" rel="nofollow">ippollite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/25/2012 at 7:14pm<br /><br />Im not entirely sure youre correct their chief about viloent crime "exploding".&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Lets use an actual source, like i dunno... the home office of the united kingdom crime statistics from the year 2002-2010:&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>These are actually recorded crimes.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Lets see this here explosion:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publicati&#111;ns/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/crime-stats-2002-2010" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/crime-stats-2002-2010</a></div><div><br></div><div>Well, what can we say? Violent crime has gone up (column Y) from 372,124 to the massive 401,743. A very small increase. Whats more, the statistics actually showed it peaked in 2005 and has been on a consistent downward trend since. Five years of downward numbers. Massive explosion.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But that accounts for everything from murder to common assault, so you know...</div><div><br></div><div>Lets look at the murder stats... first column, hard to miss.</div><div><br></div><div>2002/03 = 1047. Numbers show a continual downward trend to 2009/10 figures which shows a total of 615 murders. This is a 40% drop. Massive explosion? How about attempted murder rates? 822 in 2002/3 to 528 in 2009/10. Again, continual drops.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In fact, the only significant increase (2005) comes under the qualifier "less serious wounding". This runs the range of common assault (superficial wounding) to abh which covers injuries requiring medical treatment (though none the less superficial).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Heres the definition:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_pers&#111;n/#comm&#111;n_assault" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_person/#common_assault</a></div><div><br></div><div>One of the key things to take on board is that the use of the weapon (which can include a pool cue or a broken glass) whether or not it creates a superficial injury turns the act from ABH to GBH which carries a much more severe sentence.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So again, aside the increase in common assault &nbsp;and ABH (less serious wounding), as well as the increase in acts of "public harassment, causing fear and distress" (asshole neighbors, stalking and general harassment - no actual physical violence)), the stats show a significant drop in the most violent crimes (gbh to murder). What youre seeing is more anti social behavior and friday/saturday night dust ups down the pubs. Actual crime, deliberate crime has dropped throughout the uk, has been on a continual downward trend. But dont let actual government statistics and data on crime put you off your argument. Britain is obviously going through some kind of crime frenzy at the moment! &nbsp;</div><div>If only we had guns around to sort it all out.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>ETA: Jesus wept, i went to look at the "statistics" he used to see where he derived this insane idea. And whaddayaknow... to quote the passage:</div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Georgia, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">So then we’ve got England, where they reacted swiftly after a mass shooting, banned and confiscated guns, and their violent crime has since skyrocketed. Their stats are far worse than Australia, and they are now one of the more dangerous countries to live in the EU. Once again, cursory Google search will show articles with the stats, and other articles saying that those rises like totally have nothing to do with regular folks no longer being able to defend themselves… Sensing a trend yet?</td></tr></table></span></div><div><br></div><div>No data, no information, no source... a 'cursory google search'. Not even an attempt to source his claims. This is utterly pathetic.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/25/2012 at 5:04pm<br /><br /><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Once more an article by a reputed pro-gun activist. &nbsp;The first line alone tells you where he's coming from</font> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer.</td></tr></table></span><div><span style="color: rgb68, 68, 68; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Looking at the source tells me more than looking at the substance, although I did read the article. &nbsp;But there is always a nagging feeling in the back of my mind when I look at the numbers or "proof" as they can be applied quite subjectively (certain years or types of crime, etc).</font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I noticed no one commented on my stats above in regards to Japan having a ridiculously low gun-related death rate compared to the US (30, adjusted for population vs. 12,000 for 2008). &nbsp;Or the simple fact that the US has more guns per capita (by far) than any other country in the world and yet has the highest (by far) gun-related death rate in the world. &nbsp;Think of the absolutely messed up countries around the world, from Africa to the middle east and the US has more guns per capita than all of them, by a mile. &nbsp;</font></div><div><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><span style="line-height: 18px;">I think it's terrible that the NRA can throw bags of lobbying money at making this issue go away everytime there is a massacre. &nbsp;They are immensely powerful, there is no doubt and I think it's tough for even balanced discussion to get through that wall.</span></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 5:24pm<br /><br />Richardvoyager. his bias does not have anything to do with it, all he is trying to do is convey his opinion to everyone. And the former gunshop owner and concealed weapons instructor are actually very good sources. they are educated on both ends of the topic, they need to be. they need to answer any and all questions asked by students and customers. They are actually one of the most educated sources out there.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 5:06pm<br /><br />Here is a start. &nbsp;Also, a secondary point of the article was not to discuss statistics, but rather a rational discussion of what some of the ideas proposed would actually entail. &nbsp;Did you happen to read any of that? &nbsp;Curious to hear what your reactions to that are, as well as your &nbsp;reactions to the second article as well. &nbsp;The comment "something has to give" seems to imply a goal of simply taking things away from gunowners as opposed to meaningful progress towards a reduction in crime. &nbsp;The two are not always the same.<div><br></div><div><br><div><a href="http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847</a><br></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 4:55pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Jack_Bauer</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by elmers_cow</strong></em><br /><br />Of course... there is always someone or something to blame. Gun control... really?<br><br>On the same day, there was another guy in china who went into a school stabbing kids. To say gun control will help prevent cases like this is completely absurd! If a person who is sick enough and willing enough to take away innocent lives, no laws will ever be able to stop them. It is really sickening, but there is nothing concrete that can prevent these horrific incidents. Culture and society is all to blame-- blame for the lack of implementing certain morals can only be put on ourselves. Why only ourselves? Complete control over others is impossible, but what you do for yourself is completely in your own hand and how you influence others is also in your own hand.<br><br><br>Heres an article regarding the Chinese stabbing:<br>http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Do you know how many died in the knife attacks? &nbsp;Zero. &nbsp;The shooter on the other hand killed almost every single person he attacked. &nbsp;No one is disputing the fact that there are crazy people out there, but if you give one crazy a full auto submachine gun(thankfully outlawed) and the other one a knife, who will claim more lives? &nbsp;I don't think it's that hard to figure out. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But no, no gun problem here. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone is interested, do some research into what Australia did with their gun control after a huge massacre, in 1996 I believe. &nbsp;Their gun related deaths (including suicides and accidentals) are way down since then. &nbsp;This is not rocket science. &nbsp;Here is an example of their different weapon categories, which seem completely reasonable to me.</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defence.<sup id="cite_ref-2" ="reference"="" style="line-height: 1em;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#cite_note-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#091;2&#093;</a></sup></p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></p></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:</p><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category A</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammuniti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rimfire</a>&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rifles</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">semi-automatic</a>),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotguns" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shotguns</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump-acti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">pump-action</a>&nbsp;or semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rifles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air rifles</a>, and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintball_markers" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">paintball markers</a>. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category B</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrefire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Centrefire</a>&nbsp;rifles (not semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzleloader" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">muzzleloading</a>&nbsp;firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category C</b>: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category D</b>: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category H</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Handguns</a>&nbsp;including&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pistol" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air pistols</a>&nbsp;and deactivated handguns. This class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.</li></ul><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dd style="line-height: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px;">Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Acti&#111;n_Shooting" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Single Action Shooting</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_Silhouette" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Metallic Silhouette</a>. IPSC shooting is approved for 9mm/.38/.357 handguns that meet the IPSC rules, but larger calibers are not approved for IPSC handgun shooting contests. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.</dd></dl><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category R/E</b>: Restricted weapons:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">machine guns</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_missile_weap&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rocket launchers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">assault rifles</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame-thrower" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">flame-throwers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">anti-tank guns</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howitzer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Howitzers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">artillery</a>, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.&nbsp;</td></tr></table></li></ul></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Richardvoyager, perhaps you should do some of your own research on what has happened with violent crime statistics in Australia, the UK and even South Africa. &nbsp;All of whom have banned guns. &nbsp;All of whom have seen violent crime rates EXPLODE. &nbsp;Here, skim this article if you like, it offers some very well thought out and explained reasoning behind some of the points that most pro-gun people seem to fail to be able to explain coherently. &nbsp;Many people seem to enjoy throwing out idealistic scenarios ("arm everyone", "ban guns" etc) without thinking about the actual logistical, sociological, and financial issues that arise from either extreme.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opini&#111;n-&#111;n-gun-c&#111;ntrol/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is another good article, pay particular attention to the fact that "assault weapons" are involved in less than 3% of murders, yet that is what we are focusing all of the legislation on? &nbsp;This one written by an admitted pro-gun leftist, which I thought was pretty interesting. &nbsp;Not sure why we don't have more logical people in politics like this.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://k&#111;ntradicti&#111;ns.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-weap&#111;ns-ban-well-ill-tell-you/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/</a><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Why would one believe a former gun store owner and concealed weapon instructor as having an unbiased and informative opinion? &nbsp;If you have any evidence from non-biased sources, I would be happy to read them. &nbsp;I'm not pretending I have all of the answers as I definitely don't, but the current course of action is not working, so something has to give (unless you're the NRA and status quo works well).</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 4:47pm<br /><br />This thread is a good example of what needs to happen more, and that's just pure discussion from both sides on what should be done to prevent massacres like this. &nbsp;Putting everything out there and seeing where the public opinion lies will help.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 2:33pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by not-ewrx</strong></em><br /><br />I'm here to fully support the ban of assault weapons.&nbsp;</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Define an assault weapon and then you can talk... you more than likely have not read the thread here... 3% of all gun crimes happen with assault rifles... 97% of gun crimes happen with illegal weapons that were stolen, or smuggled. So what makes it right for everyone who does everything by the book to lose their "assault weapons?" You need to stop listening to the bullshit the mainstream media feeds you and go out and do your own research before interjecting a comment with no basis... why dont you people dig in and get to the facts. if CNN or fox news told you that it was legal to drink and drive would you do it? no... i didnt think so... youd go and research their claim before you did id think... so why cant you people do your research and get the facts straight before you make useless assumptions, because some reporter said it was the right thing to do? Im sick of it and its the reason why this country is falling into the shitter, you people have no idea what is happening you go and make uneducated decisions at the polls and its screwing the whole country.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=229428" rel="nofollow">not-ewrx</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 1:50pm<br /><br />I'm here to fully support the ban of assault weapons.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 1:21pm<br /><br />No worries, and I agree, the politicians on both sides are basically grandstanding at this point. &nbsp;Neither of which seemed to be concerned with actually addressing the problem, just trying to elevate their levels of power through mass hysteria. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I find it interesting that in light of the public outcry, you can't find any rifles or ammunition in stock anywhere on the planet. &nbsp;In a down economy, gun sales are at record levels. &nbsp;As much as people are saying they want to get rid of them, they sure are buying a hell of a lot.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 1:18pm<br /><br />Just didn't want to turn this into a you vs me. I agree with you on many of your ideas throughout this thread. IMO the reason these "assault&nbsp;riffles" are taking the fall because they were used in most recent mass shootings, and they are an easy target. Like you said, these scary guns. Lets be honest, the NRA and pro-gun politicians know they have to give something up to please the populace, and there is a chance in hell handguns will take the fall. Even though thats probably what should be addressed.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 12:54pm<br /><br />Sorry if it came across as arguing, I meant it only to further the discussion because I think most people react emotionally and think we live an ideal world where we can snap our fingers and make things happen. &nbsp;Not my intention to single you out, so much as to have a running dialogue that others can learn from.<div><br></div><div>I am personally for mandatory registration. &nbsp;I do feel that owning a firearm is a privilege and not a right. &nbsp;The nice thing about registration is that we already have systems in place to track it via the federal database. &nbsp; They simply are going to have to expand it to allow for five times more serial numbers in there, but again, logistically its the most realistic option. &nbsp;In several states its a crime to not report a lost/stollen firearm. &nbsp;Roll that one in there and suddenly you have weapons getting into the system. &nbsp;The problem here is the black market and the fact that tens of millions won't be registered by their owners. &nbsp;Much like making drugs illegal, its simply not going to change that. &nbsp;But in theory, the long term affect is that it becomes harder to get one on the black market. &nbsp;Well, probably not harder at all, just a lot more expensive. &nbsp;Crazy people will still get it done though.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as magazine capacity etc, meh, I just don't see it affecting much. &nbsp;It takes a second to reload, the V-Tech shooter carried 19 magazines. &nbsp;there are probably billions of magazines out there, they are cheap as hell, and it takes another two minutes to modify the restricted ones back to full capacity anyway. &nbsp;Just kind of a pointless legislation to me. &nbsp;California doesn't even really pursue it anymore even though its on the books. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise, "assault rifles" just look scary and its really easy for the media to play up on the hysteria. &nbsp;I don't want to get shot with anything, but if you say I have the choice between a 5.56 point blank and a .308 from 200 yards, I'm still taking the 5.56. &nbsp;They are more handy etc, but again, statistics bare out that they are one of the least used weapons in shootings. &nbsp;I would be interested if there are any studies as to why though? &nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 12:35pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Jack_Bauer</strong></em><br /><br />So why are you ignoring the fact that 97% of crime involving weapons does not occur with assault rifles? &nbsp;What is your plan for every other type of gun on the market?<div><br></div><div>If they exist only to commit murder, then why are they not used as such the majority of time? Does changing the magazine capacity from 30 to 10 suddenly completely change the nature of the weapon? &nbsp;What about removing a barrel shroud? Truth is, an "assault weapon" is anything designed to fire a projectile. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>It sounds like you think hunting makes your choice in firearms justified. &nbsp;The overwhelming majority of America has a supermarket within 10 minutes of their house. &nbsp;Why is hunting justified?</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Not here to argue, the reality if they banned all guns I would deal it. I would say the guy who killed all of those kids could have equally done it with a pistol and a 10 rd clip. I would say most shootings do involve handguns as well without looking up statistics. Thats why I feel the biggest thing they should do is make it so <b>all guns </b>have to be registered in every state, with a bigger punishment for having a gun that's not registered. If you get arrested for any violent crime, especially domestic violence you can longer own guns period. I wouldn't be&nbsp;surprised&nbsp;if they make the law on assault style weapons on barrel/gun length, there is no comparison on the short range damage you can inflict with a shorter semiauto rifle due to less recoil and easier aiming compared to any other weapon.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 12:17pm<br /><br />Again, to be fair. &nbsp;I own handguns and an AR. &nbsp;I compete and shoot for leisure....kinda like hunting, except I don't need anywhere near the powerful cartridge that a hunting rifle has. &nbsp;Since my shooting is for sport and pleasure, is my owning of a weapon justified? &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>And divesti, just so you understand. &nbsp;I'm not trying to imply you are wrong in a sense. &nbsp;What I'm getting at is the issue is simply way larger and more complicated than "ban black rifles". &nbsp;The majority that say that don't own them. &nbsp;over 1.5 million of them are in circulation already. &nbsp;Since a relative handful are being used to commit murder, in fact, they are used to commit murder at just about the lowest rate of every class of gun, I struggle with the notion that other weapons are somehow justified and they aren't. &nbsp;They all shoot a projectile at whatever you aim it at.</div><div><br></div><div>Since 97% of murders occur with every other type of firearm, how do you propose we legislate those? &nbsp;And yes, I'm including your weapons in that category.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 12:15pm<br /><br />So why are you ignoring the fact that 97% of crime involving weapons does not occur with assault rifles? &nbsp;What is your plan for every other type of gun on the market?<div><br></div><div>If they exist only to commit murder, then why are they not used as such the majority of time? Does changing the magazine capacity from 30 to 10 suddenly completely change the nature of the weapon? &nbsp;What about removing a barrel shroud? Truth is, an "assault weapon" is anything designed to fire a projectile. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>It sounds like you think hunting makes your choice in firearms justified. &nbsp;The overwhelming majority of America has a supermarket within 10 minutes of their house. &nbsp;Why is hunting justified?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 12:00pm<br /><br />Why do we need to own these guns. I'm not a person who wants guns banned, hell I own 4. An enfield .303, a dbl barrel 20 gauge, lever action 30-30, a 44 revolver, &nbsp;a remington .270 and plan on buying a S&amp;W .40 handgun with the giftcards I just got for&nbsp;Christmas.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I do agree the definition of "assault style" weapon will be the big question mark of what happens, because its going to happen. I hunt, and the majority of my family and friends do the same. Everyone I talk to agrees, there is no legitimate purpose to own of those rifles regardless, even my brother in law who has a ak47 agrees. I doubt there was a lot of&nbsp;deaths this past year from explosives too, but that doesn't mean it should be legal to own a bomb.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:52am<br /><br />Just to play fair, my personal feelings on changes we should see:<div><br></div><div>-Close gun show loophole</div><div>-FFL transfers on all private sales (it won't change anything, but I recognize that the public is going to demand some kind of administrative change)</div><div>-Some sort of gun buyer card, similar to what they do in Chicago. &nbsp;You have to get a permit in order to even buy a gun. &nbsp;Throw some psych questions in the test and call it good. &nbsp;This might also help with gun-show sales, if you have the card then perhaps you can still buy guns right at the show.</div><div><br></div><div>None of this is going to affect crime rates, the last AWB was an utter failure. &nbsp;But the public is going to demand some changes in order to feel that they are victorious in stopping crime through legislation. &nbsp;I predict crime statistics won't change at all in regards to mass shootings.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, mandatory confiscation is out. &nbsp;The government can't pay its bills as it is, they definitely can't afford to buy back a couple trillion dollars in firearms.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:44am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Jack_Bauer</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp;<div>First outlaw all&nbsp;assault&nbsp;style weapons, and high capacity magazines. Even for people who purchased them legally before the new laws, buy them back or do whatever it takes to remove them from civilian hands.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Please, in your own words, describe to us what an "assault style weapon" is.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Ar-15, ak47, G36, etc... Guns designed for use in military or police applications that are easily modified to make fully automatic and accept large magazines.&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Under the previous(current in some states) assault weapons ban, this rifle is legal-</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/sl86/lg_sl86.jpg" height="350" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This one is not</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.hk-usa.com/-images/products/g36/lg_g36.jpg" height="350" width="600" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div>I fail to see a big difference in the lethality of these two weapons. &nbsp;The top one will take the same magazines as the bottom one.</div><div><br></div><div>What I'm asking is, how do you define an assault weapon? &nbsp;If you ban the AR15, all the manufactures have to do is call it something else. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Also, please cite last time a fully automatic weapon was used in a civilian shooting in the US.</div><div><br></div><div>What I'm getting at is that we are focusing on ideals and unrealistic solutions and not meaningful progress on the issue. &nbsp;Other than than the Gunshow loophole, that was closed in my state a while ago, and I can't believe its still out there. &nbsp;Registration and banning private sales would be fine from a political standpoint, but have practically zero affect on a criminal's ability to get a weapon.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:36am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Jack_Bauer</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp;<div>First outlaw all&nbsp;assault&nbsp;style weapons, and high capacity magazines. Even for people who purchased them legally before the new laws, buy them back or do whatever it takes to remove them from civilian hands.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Please, in your own words, describe to us what an "assault style weapon" is.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Ar-15, ak47, G36, etc... Guns designed for use in military or police applications that are easily modified to make fully automatic and accept large magazines.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:29am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />&nbsp;<div>First outlaw all&nbsp;assault&nbsp;style weapons, and high capacity magazines. Even for people who purchased them legally before the new laws, buy them back or do whatever it takes to remove them from civilian hands.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Please, in your own words, describe to us what an "assault style weapon" is.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:10am<br /><br />I don't think dealers should be the ones to evaluate&nbsp;whether&nbsp;someone is sane enough to own a gun. There best interest is in selling the gun so most people will get a rather soft evaluation. I do agree with adding a mental health exam to the process of buying a gun though.<div><br></div><div>This is how I think they should change some of the gun laws:</div><div><br></div><div>First outlaw all&nbsp;assault&nbsp;style weapons, and high capacity magazines. Even for people who purchased them legally before the new laws, buy them back or do whatever it takes to remove them from civilian hands.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Next make it illegal to buys guns from someone other than a dealer, I can go buy pretty much whatever the hell I want right now with a background check and it will be registered in the previous owners name. With that every gun you own will have to be registered, so if something arises cops know exactly what you have in the house.</div><div><br></div><div>Lastly include mental health exams and maybe check ups every few years to retain ownership of such guns.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I think the line between the right to own a gun and a&nbsp;privilege&nbsp;to own a gun is what needs to change. If people can't prove they are sane enough to own a gun, have previous domestic violence cases, or whatever then they shouldn't have that right.</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=104082" rel="nofollow">Jack_Bauer</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 11:10am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by elmers_cow</strong></em><br /><br />Of course... there is always someone or something to blame. Gun control... really?<br><br>On the same day, there was another guy in china who went into a school stabbing kids. To say gun control will help prevent cases like this is completely absurd! If a person who is sick enough and willing enough to take away innocent lives, no laws will ever be able to stop them. It is really sickening, but there is nothing concrete that can prevent these horrific incidents. Culture and society is all to blame-- blame for the lack of implementing certain morals can only be put on ourselves. Why only ourselves? Complete control over others is impossible, but what you do for yourself is completely in your own hand and how you influence others is also in your own hand.<br><br><br>Heres an article regarding the Chinese stabbing:<br>http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Do you know how many died in the knife attacks? &nbsp;Zero. &nbsp;The shooter on the other hand killed almost every single person he attacked. &nbsp;No one is disputing the fact that there are crazy people out there, but if you give one crazy a full auto submachine gun(thankfully outlawed) and the other one a knife, who will claim more lives? &nbsp;I don't think it's that hard to figure out. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But no, no gun problem here. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone is interested, do some research into what Australia did with their gun control after a huge massacre, in 1996 I believe. &nbsp;Their gun related deaths (including suicides and accidentals) are way down since then. &nbsp;This is not rocket science. &nbsp;Here is an example of their different weapon categories, which seem completely reasonable to me.</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defence.<sup id="cite_ref-2" ="reference"="" style="line-height: 1em;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#cite_note-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#091;2&#093;</a></sup></p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></p></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:</p><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category A</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammuniti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rimfire</a>&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rifles</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">semi-automatic</a>),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotguns" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shotguns</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump-acti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">pump-action</a>&nbsp;or semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rifles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air rifles</a>, and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintball_markers" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">paintball markers</a>. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category B</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrefire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Centrefire</a>&nbsp;rifles (not semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzleloader" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">muzzleloading</a>&nbsp;firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category C</b>: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category D</b>: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category H</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Handguns</a>&nbsp;including&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pistol" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air pistols</a>&nbsp;and deactivated handguns. This class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.</li></ul><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dd style="line-height: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px;">Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Acti&#111;n_Shooting" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Single Action Shooting</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_Silhouette" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Metallic Silhouette</a>. IPSC shooting is approved for 9mm/.38/.357 handguns that meet the IPSC rules, but larger calibers are not approved for IPSC handgun shooting contests. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.</dd></dl><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category R/E</b>: Restricted weapons:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">machine guns</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-launched_missile_weap&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rocket launchers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">assault rifles</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame-thrower" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">flame-throwers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_gun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">anti-tank guns</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howitzer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Howitzers</a>,&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">artillery</a>, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.&nbsp;</td></tr></table></li></ul></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Richardvoyager, perhaps you should do some of your own research on what has happened with violent crime statistics in Australia, the UK and even South Africa. &nbsp;All of whom have banned guns. &nbsp;All of whom have seen violent crime rates EXPLODE. &nbsp;Here, skim this article if you like, it offers some very well thought out and explained reasoning behind some of the points that most pro-gun people seem to fail to be able to explain coherently. &nbsp;Many people seem to enjoy throwing out idealistic scenarios ("arm everyone", "ban guns" etc) without thinking about the actual logistical, sociological, and financial issues that arise from either extreme.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opini&#111;n-&#111;n-gun-c&#111;ntrol/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is another good article, pay particular attention to the fact that "assault weapons" are involved in less than 3% of murders, yet that is what we are focusing all of the legislation on? &nbsp;This one written by an admitted pro-gun leftist, which I thought was pretty interesting. &nbsp;Not sure why we don't have more logical people in politics like this.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://k&#111;ntradicti&#111;ns.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-weap&#111;ns-ban-well-ill-tell-you/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/why-not-renew-the-assault-weapons-ban-well-ill-tell-you/</a><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 10:47am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br />i agree that the distraction is good. however the point the NRA makes of schools being the safest place to shoot people i think is erroneous. if only there was someone at fort hood with a gun that could prevent that shooting. if only there were guns on military bases in&nbsp;Afghanistan&nbsp;that could prevent green on blue attacks. most people who do these attacks commit suicide anyways im not sure that making it out alive is a concern.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>another thing a man shot his 7 year old a few days ago. &nbsp;a 3 year old shot himself about a week ago</div><div>http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/1157744--pa-man-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-7-year-old-son-in-gun-store-parking-lot</div><div>http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/13/3-year-old-shoots-self-in-face-with-dads-gun/</div><div><br></div><div>also this guy shoots a man in a pizza place because the other guy was taking to long to order</div><div>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57560240-504083/michael-jock-florida-man-invokes-stand-your-ground-law-after-shooting-man-at-pizza-restaurant-police-say/</div><div><br></div><div>again i like guns and think they are fun. clearly there are tons of gun owners out there that are extremely responsible but there are a lot out there that are not. in your opinion should these parents or this man own guns anymore?</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I think the point the guy is trying to make is that places are like these are easy targets. I find it very ironic how the guns are all locked up on military bases, seems a little stupid of our military to restrict people who are trained to the highest level. They should have that freedom. And regarding to the 3 year olds shooting himself people need to know how to properly store their weapons. <b>There should be extensive training on weapons use and safety, also people should be&nbsp;psychologically&nbsp;screened through a series of questions that can be asked and evaluated by the gun dealers.</b> simple as that most guns used for crime are stolen. if people are more aware of their weapons, and their safety when they purchase them they might not get stolen and used for crime.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>So you are advocating for gun control changes then? &nbsp;Perfect! &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I think the NRA president "shot himself in the foot" with his delirious comments. &nbsp;The media is tearing him up. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone care to dig up how many people have died from guns in the US since the massacre? &nbsp;It's always a sobering reminder.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 10:01am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br />i agree that the distraction is good. however the point the NRA makes of schools being the safest place to shoot people i think is erroneous. if only there was someone at fort hood with a gun that could prevent that shooting. if only there were guns on military bases in&nbsp;Afghanistan&nbsp;that could prevent green on blue attacks. most people who do these attacks commit suicide anyways im not sure that making it out alive is a concern.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>another thing a man shot his 7 year old a few days ago. &nbsp;a 3 year old shot himself about a week ago</div><div>http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/1157744--pa-man-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-7-year-old-son-in-gun-store-parking-lot</div><div>http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/13/3-year-old-shoots-self-in-face-with-dads-gun/</div><div><br></div><div>also this guy shoots a man in a pizza place because the other guy was taking to long to order</div><div>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57560240-504083/michael-jock-florida-man-invokes-stand-your-ground-law-after-shooting-man-at-pizza-restaurant-police-say/</div><div><br></div><div>again i like guns and think they are fun. clearly there are tons of gun owners out there that are extremely responsible but there are a lot out there that are not. in your opinion should these parents or this man own guns anymore?</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I think the point the guy is trying to make is that places are like these are easy targets. I find it very ironic how the guns are all locked up on military bases, seems a little stupid of our military to restrict people who are trained to the highest level. They should have that freedom. And regarding to the 3 year olds shooting himself people need to know how to properly store their weapons. There should be extensive training on weapons use and safety, also people should be&nbsp;psychologically&nbsp;screened through a series of questions that can be asked and evaluated by the gun dealers. simple as that most guns used for crime are stolen. if people are more aware of their weapons, and their safety when they purchase them they might not get stolen and used for crime.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 8:33am<br /><br /><img src="http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/31605_10151194194830197_1151558016_n.jpg" height="960" width="868" border="0" /><br><div><br></div><div>convincing point for pro gun rights. photo from young american's for liberty</div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/24/2012 at 7:15am<br /><br />i agree that the distraction is good. however the point the NRA makes of schools being the safest place to shoot people i think is erroneous. if only there was someone at fort hood with a gun that could prevent that shooting. if only there were guns on military bases in&nbsp;Afghanistan&nbsp;that could prevent green on blue attacks. most people who do these attacks commit suicide anyways im not sure that making it out alive is a concern.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>another thing a man shot his 7 year old a few days ago. &nbsp;a 3 year old shot himself about a week ago</div><div>http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/article/1157744--pa-man-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-7-year-old-son-in-gun-store-parking-lot</div><div>http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/13/3-year-old-shoots-self-in-face-with-dads-gun/</div><div><br></div><div>also this guy shoots a man in a pizza place because the other guy was taking to long to order</div><div>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57560240-504083/michael-jock-florida-man-invokes-stand-your-ground-law-after-shooting-man-at-pizza-restaurant-police-say/</div><div><br></div><div>again i like guns and think they are fun. clearly there are tons of gun owners out there that are extremely responsible but there are a lot out there that are not. in your opinion should these parents or this man own guns anymore?</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/23/2012 at 9:58pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br />i also heard that during the columbine shooting the police officer stationed at the school gone in a prolonged shootout with eric harris. so he was there and it still happened. &nbsp;but i agree the closer the defense is the less likely there will be damage. but again in aurora the main police station for aurora was less than a half mile away</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I would say that it would be exceedingly hard to keep a high degree of readiness for years and years, just waiting for someone to do something. &nbsp;Even in the case of an attack, the gunman would have the element of surprise and might very well win anyway. &nbsp;Look at the number of cops that are shot in the line of duty, with a vest and gun on at all times.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>if this is the case the cop did his job... he distracted the shooter away from the children and towards himself... He effectively accomplished his goals while the teachers and children had time to get to safety. The NRA is right we need to place police officers in schools and arm teachers bottom line there should be a gun in every wing of a school incase stuff like this breaks out.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/23/2012 at 10:29am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br />i also heard that during the columbine shooting the police officer stationed at the school gone in a prolonged shootout with eric harris. so he was there and it still happened. &nbsp;but i agree the closer the defense is the less likely there will be damage. but again in aurora the main police station for aurora was less than a half mile away</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I would say that it would be exceedingly hard to keep a high degree of readiness for years and years, just waiting for someone to do something. &nbsp;Even in the case of an attack, the gunman would have the element of surprise and might very well win anyway. &nbsp;Look at the number of cops that are shot in the line of duty, with a vest and gun on at all times.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/23/2012 at 10:19am<br /><br />i also heard that during the columbine shooting the police officer stationed at the school gone in a prolonged shootout with eric harris. so he was there and it still happened. &nbsp;but i agree the closer the defense is the less likely there will be damage. but again in aurora the main police station for aurora was less than a half mile away]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/23/2012 at 10:07am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Geology Rocks</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba26, 26, 26, 0.296875; -webkit-com-fill-color: rgba175, 192, 227, 0.230469; -webkit-com--color: rgba77, 128, 180, 0.230469; ">I agree with you on the legit uses of guns, although protection is a bit weaker of an argument in my mind. &nbsp;I also completely agree on assault weapons but I would add big clips to that as well. &nbsp;Semi-auto rifles with 30 round clips doesn't seem reasonable.<br></span></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Simply by reading the terms used in your post I know your understanding of firearms. Stop making judgements of something you know nothing about, or restating incorrect facts you heard on the news.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>So please educate me then instead of being arrogant and dismissive. &nbsp;I don't know alot about guns as there aren't many people with guns up here in Canada (in my circles at least). &nbsp;The odd hunting rifle or shotgun, that kind of thing. &nbsp;So yes, you are correct. &nbsp;We also have shootings, definitely, but our numbers are magnitudes lower than the US equivalent. &nbsp;It's a lot harder for a nut to gain access to multiple guns up here, I can tell you that.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/23/2012 at 10:01am<br /><br />The press in NY were all laughing at the NRA president and calling him a nut. &nbsp;I have to agree when his recommended course of action is to arm the teachers or put cops in every school. &nbsp;The police departments of most cities are on the decline right now, with very tough budget crises. &nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/22/2012 at 7:09pm<br /><br />NRA released their official statement yesterday. from their website&nbsp;http://home.nra.org/# its interesting. i cut out a lot left some of the points i found interesting. read it on their site<div><br></div><div><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">The only way to answer that question is to face up to the&nbsp;<i>truth</i>. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases&nbsp;<i>bragging</i>about them. They post signs&nbsp;<i>advertising</i>&nbsp;them.</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their<i>safest</i>&nbsp;place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them&nbsp;<i>utterly defenseless</i>, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">The truth is that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters — people so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons that no sane person can possibly&nbsp;<i>ever</i>&nbsp;comprehend them. They walk among us every day.&nbsp;</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">How many&nbsp;<i>more</i>&nbsp;copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame — from a national media machine that&nbsp;<i>rewards</i>&nbsp;them with the wall-to-wall attention and sense of identity that they crave — while provoking others to try to make&nbsp;<i>their</i>&nbsp;mark?</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here's one: it's called Kindergarten Killers. It's been online for 10 years.&nbsp;</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">Then there's the blood-soaked slasher films like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and&nbsp;<i>every</i>&nbsp;day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."</p><p style="color: rgb255, 255, 255; font-family: 'Segoe UI', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; : rgb0, 0, 0;">as parents, we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It is now time for us to assume responsibility for their safety at school. The only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. The&nbsp;<i>only</i>&nbsp;thing that stops a&nbsp;<i>bad</i>&nbsp;guy with a gun is a&nbsp;<i>good</i>&nbsp;guy with a gun. Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a&nbsp;<i>mile</i>&nbsp;away ... or a&nbsp;<i>minute</i>&nbsp;away?</p></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163621" rel="nofollow">ippollite</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/22/2012 at 5:15pm<br /><br />As a brit i can tell you two things with cast iron certainty.<div><br></div><div>1. If i want a gun i can get one.</div><div>2. I wouldnt have the slightest clue where to start even thinking about getting one though since no one i know would have the slightest clue where to start even thinking about getting one. Im not a "bad man". I dont even know any "bad men". It would have to be through some kind of shenanigans involving friends of friends of dodgy as hell friends and strange paranoia and suspicions that you arent setting them up. I wouldnt want to have any recourse in dealing with to be honest.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So yes, i can definitely get one if i want and can figure out how to get it, and also pay an absolute fortune to get it since i didnt grow up in a shitty neighborhood and will be taken for a mug if anyone would even let me buy it. But its not easy, and its not something most people would even want to do. Which is of course why very few people in britain have a handgun and why very few people would even think about picking one up. Its all well and good throwing out the claim that anyone can get one, but the honest truth is that its incredibly hard, complicated, and fraught with danger to get one in the UK... unless of course you come from the estates and already know all these dodgy people.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320370" rel="nofollow">Lux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/22/2012 at 3:04pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Lux</strong></em><br /><br />As a fellow Canadian with comparably poor comprehension of American gun mentality, I would argue against your reasoning that replacing that gun with a hunting knife or fire axe would not have prevented the massacre. Sociopathic behaviour and mental health issues were what drove him to kill, not bullets. You could destroy every firearm in USA and would still have mass murders. If somebody has planned to commit murder, they are probably going to commit that murder, regardless of the weapon. &nbsp;In theory, extreme gun registry *may* help, but in reality, it would work against the interests of the remaining 99% of American population firearm hobbyists with sound mental health. Nobody in public would vote for that. Nobody in the Senate would vote for that. It won't work. Serious efforts on the part of Americans need to be put into improving social conditions within at-risk demographics if anyone is expecting to prevent another school shooting.<br></td></tr></table>Do you not believe that if he had to use less lethal, hand-to-hand weapons that more kids would still be alive right now? &nbsp;That guy in China wounded 23 kids and 1 adult and killed none with a knife. &nbsp;This guy had a terribly high kill rate. &nbsp;I'm not disputing the fact that there will be people who will kill people no matter what, that is a given. &nbsp;What is also a given is if that lady would have either not owned the guns or kept them in a safe, she would not have been killed by her OWN guns.</td></tr></table>Indeed I agree that the lethality level of the killer would have been reduced substantially in the absence of firearms. Having said that, I do think we need to step back for a moment and consider root causes: why is he so inclined to commit homicide, anyway? That is where I think America (and other crime-susceptible regions of the world) need to be dealing with above surface issues such as gun control.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>From what I gather, his intended target was the teacher, therefore he was so appropriately armed. But let's say somebody with a similar degree of mental sickness entered a police station with the intention of killing officers. He/she would have probably planned for it and equipped himself/herself appropriately: possibly hand grenades and pipe bombs in this case. Again, the absence of guns has not made a difference in preventing the assault from happening. But in all fairness to your reasoning, yes, being without a gun means the assailant would need to be more upfront/close-quarters in the attack.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=54787" rel="nofollow">Geology Rocks</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/22/2012 at 1:08pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span ="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba26, 26, 26, 0.296875; -webkit-com-fill-color: rgba175, 192, 227, 0.230469; -webkit-com--color: rgba77, 128, 180, 0.230469; ">I agree with you on the legit uses of guns, although protection is a bit weaker of an argument in my mind. &nbsp;I also completely agree on assault weapons but I would add big clips to that as well. &nbsp;Semi-auto rifles with 30 round clips doesn't seem reasonable.<br></span></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Simply by reading the terms used in your post I know your understanding of firearms. Stop making judgements of something you know nothing about, or restating incorrect facts you heard on the news.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/22/2012 at 2:31am<br /><br />jacquet, I agree with you to an extent.  The one thing I would add to your comment is the willingness of the people to want to better themselves.  Many people in our society have accepted the way of life on govt. assistance.  They don't want to better themselves.  I feel our society has become lazy and just accept their current situation.  I also see an issue with this country being more divided today than in the past.  Whether it be by religion, class, race, etc. we really are divided.  When all these circumstances are taken into consideration I feel it has a greater affect on the mental states of our citizens. This is no excuse to go on a shooting rampage, especially at an elementary school.  <br />I also disagree with the idea of medicating our children for every little issue.  Our kids are depressed, hyper, have an eating disorder, etc. then we medicate them.  How is this affecting the mental states of our kids.  If they are on medication from time they are 5 or 6, it is no wonder they snap once they get in their teens. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/21/2012 at 9:12pm<br /><br />apparently his mother abused him. If that is the case its messed up but thats no reason to go off and kill innocent people who had nothing to do with the situation. Apparently there were a few copy cats today. luckily everything was debunked and nothing happened.&nbsp;]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  I don&amp;#039;t know man I think...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/21/2012 at 8:58pm<br /><br />I don't know man I think he was just messed up in the head. I was thinking that too though, that he might have had grudges and that maybe he got made fun of, but why did he shoot innocent little first graders?]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : I can&amp;#039;t answer what the solution...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=268398" rel="nofollow">jacquet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/21/2012 at 12:36am<br /><br /> I can't answer what the solution is to gun control, and I do not think any one can. However I do not think guns are the major issue at play. What I hope to see in my lifetime is a community where no one is left behind. May sound naive or too farfetched, but I would like to live in a community where people can feel more involved, and more comfortable speaking and associating with one another.<br /><br /> Education reform that institutes the fundamentals of a more liberal and democratic education for people of all classes. Healthcare reform where all members of the community can be treated with the appropriate level of care. Communities that can have access to good quality food at a fair price. <br /><br />This all sounds cliché and it will not not solve anything, but I think it can help us head in the "positive" direction and make an impact on our culture. I think part of the problem lies in inequality, and no one likes being on the wrong end of it; while at the same time people on the better side of equality don't want to fall at the expense of others. And no I am not some kind of communist that wants to end capitalism. It'd just be nice to see more people willing to play a part in helping people in this country who are on the wrong side of equality, whether it be poverty, mental illness, homelessness, etc. because if they don't how do they expect society to improve? <br /><br />How this relates to violence and gun control is that maybe it would reduce the amount of individuals who feel they are treated unfairly by society for whatever reason. Maybe it will reduce the amount of adolescents who feel that joining a gang is their only option. But don't take any of this as a proposal for a solution. They are just goals I would like to work for and possibly see in the community I live in.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : Forget the bomb, all he had to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/21/2012 at 12:31am<br /><br />Forget the bomb, all he had to do was get in his car and wait for the kids at a cross walk going to school or on the play ground.  How destructive can a car going 30 mph be to a group of people standing still.  Say what you want about gun control but the issue is our society.  These mentally unsafe morons will find a means to their end regardless of what we ban or regulate.<br /><br />I don't think the idea of putting trackers on our guns and giving the government that much control is a good idea.  I see where you were going and I like the thought process but I think that is too much power to give to our idiot governmetn.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : If he really wanted to kill people...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/20/2012 at 2:41pm<br /><br />If he really wanted to kill people he could have made a car bomb with fertilizer and drove it into the school but that's besides the point. He should not have been able to gain access to the weapons in the first place. They should have been locked up.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by diviestiWell...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=249646" rel="nofollow">Angry Midget Yo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:48pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br /><div><br></div><div>Well that happened in China the same day as the Connecticut shooting, a guy stabbed 22 children and they all survived.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Its not a one thing fix all cure, but if anything happens from this tragedy hopefully we make our country a safer and better country because of it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I remember another incident in China awhile ago about a guy doing the same thing.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  They do ban (or regulate) certain...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:43pm<br /><br />They do ban (or regulate) certain chemicals necessary to make large scale bombs like the Oklahoma bombing. &nbsp;Regulating certain aspects of gun ownership would be similar in my opinion. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I think the logistical issues are much easier to deal with than the classic, "put guns in the hands of teachers" argument, which is nearly impossible to imagine doing. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Japan has massive gun control policies in place. &nbsp;Want to guess how many gun related deaths they had in 2008? &nbsp;11. &nbsp;The US? &nbsp;12,000. &nbsp;Their population in 2008 was 127 million, let's say the US had triple that. &nbsp;So you get total of <b>30</b> compared to <b>12,000</b>. &nbsp;Obviously cultures differ and there are other things at play here, but the numbers are staggering.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is another tidbit I found:</div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><span style="font-family: Georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is&nbsp;</span><a href="http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jan/27/jim-moran/rep-jim-moran-says-us-gun-homicide-rate-20-times-h/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">almost 20 times</a><span style="font-family: Georgia, 'times new roman', times, serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px;">&nbsp;that of the other 22.</span></td></tr></table> &nbsp;That's scary. &nbsp;I would argue that guns have made the US a whole lot less safe than other comparable countries....unless you were a country wanting to invade of course&nbsp;<img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" alt="LOL" title="LOL" /></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :  Originally posted by diviesti Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=147223" rel="nofollow">Oinker</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:41pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Oinker</strong></em><br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Granted there are ‘some’ gun related issues that need to be addressed but that is not the central part of this problem.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><!--?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>What happens when people with these same mental problems start going on killing sprees with other weapons? Such as knives,</B> axes, machetes, flame throwers, burning down building, blowing up buildings, etc. Then what? Then what do we legislate out of the hands of everyone?</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><O:P><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</FONT></O:P></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ='ms&#111;normal=""'><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bigger issues that need to be looked at are mental health problems &amp; social issues. How those are addressed I don’t know, but to focus on one single point of this horrible crime is not the answer.</FONT></P></td></tr></table> <DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Well that happened in China the same day as the Connecticut shooting, a guy stabbed 22 children and they all survived.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Its not a one thing fix all cure, but if anything happens from this tragedy hopefully we make our country a safer and better country because of it.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">I’m not saying that some gun laws don’t need to be changed &amp; certain weapons don’t belong in the hands of the general public. Those changes will definitely help prevent some future deaths. But people who are that far gone mentally are going to find another way to carry out their plan to hurt or kill people. That was my main point. All in all every crime will never be stopped but there seems be such an alarming amount of these mass rampage type killing sprees happening now. It’s just sad and they need to be addressed on many different levels.</FONT></P>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by lightning80 Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by lightning80</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br />no weapons ban. that wont solve anything just make people angry and ready to go to their guns against the government. and the tracking is a little to upclose and personal for me. i dont want anyone to know where i am unless i tell them. that system has many potential bugs too. it could be hacked and then peoples information would be compromised. if the government started to go all&nbsp;totalitarian like that lady was preparing for they could send out the military to round up all the guns. Another thing im not sure that you understand is guns require a lot of upkeep and need to be cleaned frequently even if they are in storage. this system would be so overwhelmed by guns being removed from safes itd fry up. there are 270 million legal guns in America.... so granted there are over 10 million guns out at one period of time... do you know how big that server system would have to be? the costs would be astronomical to put that in place.&nbsp;</td></tr></table> <div>&nbsp;</div><div>And, saving lives is not worth that kind of price? Tax the guns and ammo sales to pay for it. If ADT can monitor millions of home, I'm sure the federal government can monitor millions of guns.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>We give up certain freedoms, like driving as fast as we want in our cars that are made to go way past the speed limit, for the better good of everyone. I think giving up on some freedom of big brother knowning where your guns are, is for the better good of everyone. If you're not taking your gun to the neighborhood park/school/hospital/movie theater/super market/mall/etc. then you've got nothing to hide. By the way, your cell phone provider already knows where you are all the time...<img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I disagree i think that is to extreme. I think if there is proof of a safe in the house, specified training,&nbsp;psychological and background checks passed and&nbsp;Legal permits that is enough. There is no need for some trillion dollar system that would run us bankrupt. Its a insane concept and it lets the government into our lives to much. That is not what our country is built on. And there are people who take their guns to the&nbsp;neighborhood&nbsp;park, hospital, movies, supermarkets, and malls. Its called concealed carry and it is 100% legal. You take a class you are trained on how to properly use the weapon, you look at situations on when and when not to draw/shoot, and you look at weapon safety. Concealed carriers have helped reduce murder rates by 8% in some parts of the country. Your idea sounds like it would work but it intrudes on to many freedoms, and it is not practical, there are other ways to prevent crime that is much cheaper. Not to mention that most crimes are committed with illegal guns, most of which have been smuggled, stolen, or recreated and modified. these people aren't going to have trackers on their weapons... So why put&nbsp;unnecessary&nbsp;laws upon all the legal gun owners like myself who do everything by the book?&nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by OinkerGranted...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:19pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Oinker</strong></em><br /><br /><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Granted there are ‘some’ gun related issues that need to be addressed but that is not the central part of this problem.</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><!--?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /--><o:p><font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><b>What happens when people with these same mental problems start going on killing sprees with other weapons? Such as knives,</b> axes, machetes, flame throwers, burning down building, blowing up buildings, etc. Then what? Then what do we legislate out of the hands of everyone?</font></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><o:p><font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</font></o:p></p><p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =ms&#111;normal=""><font size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bigger issues that need to be looked at are mental health problems &amp; social issues. How those are addressed I don’t know, but to focus on one single point of this horrible crime is not the answer.</font></p></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Well that happened in China the same day as the Connecticut shooting, a guy stabbed 22 children and they all survived.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/world/asia/man-stabs-22-children-in-china.html?_r=0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Its not a one thing fix all cure, but if anything happens from this tragedy hopefully we make our country a safer and better country because of it.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:13pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br />no weapons ban. that wont solve anything just make people angry and ready to go to their guns against the government. and the tracking is a little to upclose and personal for me. i dont want anyone to know where i am unless i tell them. that system has many potential bugs too. it could be hacked and then peoples information would be compromised. if the government started to go all&nbsp;totalitarian like that lady was preparing for they could send out the military to round up all the guns. Another thing im not sure that you understand is guns require a lot of upkeep and need to be cleaned frequently even if they are in storage. this system would be so overwhelmed by guns being removed from safes itd fry up. there are 270 million legal guns in America.... so granted there are over 10 million guns out at one period of time... do you know how big that server system would have to be? the costs would be astronomical to put that in place.&nbsp;</td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And, saving lives is not worth that kind of price? Tax the guns and ammo sales to pay for it. If ADT can monitor millions of home, I'm sure the federal government can monitor millions of guns.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We give up certain freedoms, like driving as fast as we want in our cars that are made to go way past the speed limit, for the better good of everyone. I think giving up on some freedom of big brother knowning where your guns are, is for the better good of everyone. If you're not taking your gun to the neighborhood park/school/hospital/movie theater/super market/mall/etc. then you've got nothing to hide. By the way, your cell phone provider already knows where you are all the time...<img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : Doesn&amp;#039;t look like its going...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 12:00pm<br /><br />Doesn't look like its going to a no weapons ban, assault military style rifles will be banned, high capacity clips, and how easy it is to get guns from private parties. I can't argue with any of those either.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Pairing that with better laws on who can own guns I think will go a long way.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=147223" rel="nofollow">Oinker</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:55am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Granted there are ‘some’ gun related issues that need to be addressed but that is not the central part of this problem.</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">What happens when people with these same mental problems start going on killing sprees with other weapons? Such as knives, axes, machetes, flame throwers, burning down building, blowing up buildings, etc. Then what? Then what do we legislate out of the hands of everyone?</FONT></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><o:p><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><FONT size=3 face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The bigger issues that need to be looked at are mental health problems &amp; social issues. How those are addressed I don’t know, but to focus on one single point of this horrible crime is not the answer.</FONT></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:43am<br /><br />no weapons ban. that wont solve anything just make people angry and ready to go to their guns against the government. and the tracking is a little to upclose and personal for me. i dont want anyone to know where i am unless i tell them. that system has many potential bugs too. it could be hacked and then peoples information would be compromised. if the government started to go all&nbsp;totalitarian like that lady was preparing for they could send out the military to round up all the guns. Another thing im not sure that you understand is guns require a lot of upkeep and need to be cleaned frequently even if they are in storage. this system would be so overwhelmed by guns being removed from safes itd fry up. there are 270 million legal guns in America.... so granted there are over 10 million guns out at one period of time... do you know how big that server system would have to be? the costs would be astronomical to put that in place.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:36am<br /><br /><P>Here's an idea for an invention: a tracking device for all guns that gets deactivated whenever it's in a safe. When it gets taken out, an alert&nbsp;is sent to some central monitoring location and the location of the gun gets tracked (like lo jack). A call is made to the registered gun owner (like how the alarm company calls you when your home alarm goes off) to see&nbsp;why the gun taken out of the safe. If the owner doesn't know how it got out, police is sent to the location of the gun. If the owner says he's taking to a shooting range, they can track to see whether the owner is on the right path. Yes, the process is bothersome for the gun owner, but is well worth it, just ask any of the innocent people that have been killed by guns.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:21am<br /><br />This is the type of discussion I think is pertinent. &nbsp;No one wants to steal all of your guns. &nbsp;But there ARE things that can be done. &nbsp;Make everyone show proof of a safe or locker. &nbsp;Gun safety classes. &nbsp;Gun registry. &nbsp;Ban on certain types of weapons or ammo.<div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:08am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>She said she was preparing for when the leaders in office caused the economy to crash or something stupid like that...</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;Thats not the point i was trying to make. you were saying that someone who has a lot of guns is crazy. i was pointing out that rashness in your statement and some people who have nothing but good intentions own guns. Was i speaking on behalf of this lady no... i was speaking on behalf of the hobbyists and collectors like myself.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>That is totally fine. AS LONG AS you lock them up and only you know the combination. Which this idiot woman obviously did not do. I think if anything changes, it's how strict we are about making sure people secure their guns so that only they or someone with a license can access them. Not children or crazy family members.</div></td></tr></table><div>yeah, thats all well and good. but there is no way we could regulate that... the only thing we can do is keep people informed. You can't regulate the inside of someones house that would fall under illegal search and seizure. What can be done is require people to buy locking gun cases with their new weapon, or show proof that they have a safe for their weapons.&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Yeah, make a requirement to secure your guns in a safe and Show proof that you own a locking safe. I don't know how else you could prove it without letting them inside your house. Is there anything else like this?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:05am<br /><br />^ I totally agree with richardvoyageur. Yes, the problem is with society and the crazy people. I agree that crazy people are going to find ways to hurt and kill. But, if these people don't have access to guns, the damage they can inflict is much more limited (ie. knife vs. guns). <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>Oh, and I'm not Canadien. I grew up in Texas where guns are everywhere. The state where concealed weapons is the law (you can carry, just don't let people see it). I've shot cans with hand guns and rifles, and shot clay with shotguns. Sure, it's fun to shoot. But it's not worth the potential lives that it could end.</DIV><DIV>The right to bear arms was founded in a time where there was not any established military or police system and everyone needed to be armed to fight against the British. The times have changed and there isn't any country invading us and we already have massive miliatary and police oranizations in all levels of government (federal, state, county, city, and even neighborhoods). There's no longer a need for everyone to be armed. Who are you going to shoot with your gun? Someone else with a gun...</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 11:02am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>She said she was preparing for when the leaders in office caused the economy to crash or something stupid like that...</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;Thats not the point i was trying to make. you were saying that someone who has a lot of guns is crazy. i was pointing out that rashness in your statement and some people who have nothing but good intentions own guns. Was i speaking on behalf of this lady no... i was speaking on behalf of the hobbyists and collectors like myself.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>That is totally fine. AS LONG AS you lock them up and only you know the combination. Which this idiot woman obviously did not do. I think if anything changes, it's how strict we are about making sure people secure their guns so that only they or someone with a license can access them. Not children or crazy family members.</div></td></tr></table><div>yeah, thats all well and good. but there is no way we could regulate that... the only thing we can do is keep people informed. You can't regulate the inside of someones house that would fall under illegal search and seizure. What can be done is require people to buy locking gun cases with their new weapon, or show proof that they have a safe for their weapons.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 10:48am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>She said she was preparing for when the leaders in office caused the economy to crash or something stupid like that...</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;Thats not the point i was trying to make. you were saying that someone who has a lot of guns is crazy. i was pointing out that rashness in your statement and some people who have nothing but good intentions own guns. Was i speaking on behalf of this lady no... i was speaking on behalf of the hobbyists and collectors like myself.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>That is totally fine. AS LONG AS you lock them up and only you know the combination. Which this idiot woman obviously did not do. I think if anything changes, it's how strict we are about making sure people secure their guns so that only they or someone with a license can access them. Not children or crazy family members.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 10:21am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by elmers_cow</strong></em><br /><br />Of course... there is always someone or something to blame. Gun control... really?<br><br>On the same day, there was another guy in china who went into a school stabbing kids. To say gun control will help prevent cases like this is completely absurd! If a person who is sick enough and willing enough to take away innocent lives, no laws will ever be able to stop them. It is really sickening, but there is nothing concrete that can prevent these horrific incidents. Culture and society is all to blame-- blame for the lack of implementing certain morals can only be put on ourselves. Why only ourselves? Complete control over others is impossible, but what you do for yourself is completely in your own hand and how you influence others is also in your own hand.<br><br><br>Heres an article regarding the Chinese stabbing:<br>http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html<br></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Do you know how many died in the knife attacks? &nbsp;Zero. &nbsp;The shooter on the other hand killed almost every single person he attacked. &nbsp;No one is disputing the fact that there are crazy people out there, but if you give one crazy a full auto submachine gun(thankfully outlawed) and the other one a knife, who will claim more lives? &nbsp;I don't think it's that hard to figure out. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>But no, no gun problem here. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone is interested, do some research into what Australia did with their gun control after a huge massacre, in 1996 I believe. &nbsp;Their gun related deaths (including suicides and accidentals) are way down since then. &nbsp;This is not rocket science. &nbsp;Here is an example of their different weapon categories, which seem completely reasonable to me.</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote">State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defence.<sup id="cite_ref-2" ="reference" style="line-height: 1em;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia#cite_note-2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">&#091;2&#093;</a></sup></p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category</p><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></p></div><div><p style="margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:</p><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category A</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimfire_ammuniti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Rimfire</a>&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">rifles</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">semi-automatic</a>),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotguns" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">shotguns</a>&nbsp;(not&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump-acti&#111;n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">pump-action</a>&nbsp;or semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rifles" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air rifles</a>, and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintball_markers" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">paintball markers</a>. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category B</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrefire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Centrefire</a>&nbsp;rifles (not semi-automatic),&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzleloader" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">muzzleloading</a>&nbsp;firearms made after 1 January 1901. Apart from a "Genuine Reason", a "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category C</b>: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category D</b>: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.</li></ul><ul style="line-height: 19.200000762939453px; list-style-: disc; margin: 0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em; padding: 0px; list-style-: :/png;64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAUAAAANAQMAAABb8jbLAAAABlBMVEX///8AUow5QSOjAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAABNJREFUCB1jYEABBQw/wLCAgQEAGpIDyT0IVcsAAAAASUVORK5CYII=; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><li style="margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><b>Category H</b>:&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Handguns</a>&nbsp;including&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pistol" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">air pistols</a>&nbsp;and deactivated handguns. This class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm, a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.</li></ul><dl style="margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;"><dd style="line-height: 1.5em; margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em; margin-right: 0px;">Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Acti&#111;n_Shooting" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Single Action Shooting</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_Silhouette" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Metallic Silhouette</a>. 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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 7:47am<br /><br />more than 500 kids die from accidental gun shots a year in the US. I dont hear anyone crying about that. im not sure if that requires gun control and those parents suck but seriously...500 a year.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=147223" rel="nofollow">Oinker</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 6:34am<br /><br />This issue goes far beyond gun control. Laws are not going to resolve these types of crimes and horrible acts. These issues run much deeper in our culture &amp; will not simply be resolved by inacting more laws.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=100211" rel="nofollow">elmers_cow</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/19/2012 at 2:46am<br /><br />Of course... there is always someone or something to blame. Gun control... really?<br><br>On the same day, there was another guy in china who went into a school stabbing kids. To say gun control will help prevent cases like this is completely absurd! If a person who is sick enough and willing enough to take away innocent lives, no laws will ever be able to stop them. It is really sickening, but there is nothing concrete that can prevent these horrific incidents. Culture and society is all to blame-- blame for the lack of implementing certain morals can only be put on ourselves. Why only ourselves? Complete control over others is impossible, but what you do for yourself is completely in your own hand and how you influence others is also in your own hand.<br><br><br>Heres an article regarding the Chinese stabbing:<br>http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/18/2012 at 10:14pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>She said she was preparing for when the leaders in office caused the economy to crash or something stupid like that...</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;Thats not the point i was trying to make. you were saying that someone who has a lot of guns is crazy. i was pointing out that rashness in your statement and some people who have nothing but good intentions own guns. Was i speaking on behalf of this lady no... i was speaking on behalf of the hobbyists and collectors like myself.</div>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by Lux   Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/18/2012 at 4:49pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Lux</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div></td></tr></table><div>As a fellow Canadian with comparably poor comprehension of American gun mentality, I would argue against your reasoning that replacing that gun with a hunting knife or fire axe would not have prevented the massacre. Sociopathic behaviour and mental health issues were what drove him to kill, not bullets. You could destroy every firearm in USA and would still have mass murders. If somebody has planned to commit murder, they are probably going to commit that murder, regardless of the weapon. &nbsp;In theory, extreme gun registry *may* help, but in reality, it would work against the interests of the remaining 99% of American population firearm hobbyists with sound mental health. Nobody in public would vote for that. Nobody in the Senate would vote for that. It won't work. Serious efforts on the part of Americans need to be put into improving social conditions within at-risk demographics if anyone is expecting to prevent another school shooting.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Do you not believe that if he had to use less lethal, hand-to-hand weapons that more kids would still be alive right now? &nbsp;That guy in China wounded 23 kids and 1 adult and killed none with a knife. &nbsp;This guy had a terribly high kill rate. &nbsp;I'm not disputing the fact that there will be people who will kill people no matter what, that is a given. &nbsp;What is also a given is if that lady would have either not owned the guns or kept them in a safe, she would not have been killed by her OWN guns.</div><div><br></div><div>Arm the teachers? &nbsp;Think of the logistics of what you're proposing. &nbsp;Gun safes in every classroom, massive training, union issues, cost of buying a gun for every teacher in every school in the US, etc. &nbsp;What about the element of surprise? &nbsp;You're never going to have an announcement that, "I'm coming to kill a bunch of kids." &nbsp;How can some people think the answer to this is MORE guns? &nbsp;You're already at 270 MILLION and it's quite obviously not working for you. &nbsp;It's perverse how gun sales go up immediately after these events.</div><div><br></div><div>Out of G12 countries, the US has almost 6 times more gun-related homicides than the 2nd and almost triple the unintentional gun deaths than the 2nd place country. &nbsp;How many kids are accidentally killed by these guns purchased to "safeguard families"? &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not saying there should be a total ban on guns; perhaps banning semi-auto rifles and large clips could help. &nbsp;I don't have the answers, but I think it's plain to see that this isn't getting better, it's getting worse.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/18/2012 at 7:28am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>She said she was preparing for when the leaders in office caused the economy to crash or something stupid like that...</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/18/2012 at 1:59am<br /><br />I have to agree that more strict gun laws will not prevent these atrocities from happening.  People with this level of mental issues will find a means.  A person could very easily get in their car and run over 20 children at a cross walk on their way to school.  Drugs are illegal and people still use them, alcohol was banned during the prohibition and people still consumed alcohol.  Guns can and will be smuggled into the US and then will only be in the hands of the criminals with bad intentions.  I'm not saying we should't review our current gun ownership laws and try to make adjustments but banning guns altogether is not a solution.  We need to look at our society as a whole and start fixing problems there first.<br />]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by Lux   Originally...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 7:09pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Lux</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div></td></tr></table><div>As a fellow Canadian with comparably poor comprehension of American gun mentality, I would argue against your reasoning that replacing that gun with a hunting knife or fire axe would not have prevented the massacre. Sociopathic behaviour and mental health issues were what drove him to kill, not bullets. You could destroy every firearm in USA and would still have mass murders. If somebody has planned to commit murder, they are probably going to commit that murder, regardless of the weapon. &nbsp;In theory, extreme gun registry *may* help, but in reality, it would work against the interests of the remaining 99% of American population firearm hobbyists with sound mental health. Nobody in public would vote for that. Nobody in the Senate would vote for that. It won't work. Serious efforts on the part of Americans need to be put into improving social conditions within at-risk demographics if anyone is expecting to prevent another school shooting.</div></td></tr></table><div>Well said Lux. Timothy McVeigh did not use a gun. there will always be those crazy people out there... the only thing we can do is try to prevent it. which would be, arming the teachers or placing law enforcement in the schools... but that still doesnt help situations like the movie theater massacre. (which was a no carry zone.) if they made concealed carry legal everywhere maybe those people carrying would intervene... The people with concealed carry permits are extensively trained and are not lose cannons. they are&nbsp;psychologically&nbsp;screened and taught everything there is to know about the topic. But again its just an idea and a safety perk.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320370" rel="nofollow">Lux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 4:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div></td></tr></table><div>As a fellow Canadian with comparably poor comprehension of American gun mentality, I would argue against your reasoning that replacing that gun with a hunting knife or fire axe would not have prevented the massacre. Sociopathic behaviour and mental health issues were what drove him to kill, not bullets. You could destroy every firearm in USA and would still have mass murders. If somebody has planned to commit murder, they are probably going to commit that murder, regardless of the weapon. &nbsp;In theory, extreme gun registry *may* help, but in reality, it would work against the interests of the remaining 99% of American population firearm hobbyists with sound mental health. Nobody in public would vote for that. Nobody in the Senate would vote for that. It won't work. Serious efforts on the part of Americans need to be put into improving social conditions within at-risk demographics if anyone is expecting to prevent another school shooting.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 12:38pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by rosati777</strong></em><br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Most people arent preparing for a zombie&nbsp;apocalypse... Its a hobby for a lot of people including myself... that woman should have had those guns in a safe only she knew the combination too. I happen to have over 8 guns in my house right now... does that make me crazy??? no it doesnt i like them, they all have a purpose of use for me and i shoot them all on a regular basis. That was a very moronic statement my friend... just because someone has a lot of guns does not make them crazy.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=242000" rel="nofollow">rosati777</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 12:11pm<br /><br />Wow that ^^^ actually makes a lot of sense.<div><br></div><div>I still think that that woman having all those guns was a little crazy. People who are preparing for the Zombiepocalypse have to be a little crazy.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 10:14am<br /><br />I took this off of facebook.  Not sure if Morgan Freeman actually said it but I believe that the message really hits home.  Everyone has their own opinion on gun control and many people are on opposite ends of the spectrum about it.  I believe this situation far exceeds gun control and more of an issue of what our society has become.<br /><br />TURN OFF THE NEWS.......<br /><br />Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :<br /><br />"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.<br /><br />...It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed<br />people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.<br /><br />CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.<br /><br />You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."See More<br />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=342049" rel="nofollow">Ryanpmajor</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 10:04am<br /><br />I cant even read this type of stuff.. hurts too much. my prayers are for them.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 8:21am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Being from Wyoming I see the reasoning in owning guns, from hunting, sport shooting, even protection. There does need to be gun law reform though, I've owned many guns in my life, and Assault riffles have nor reasonable purpose for civilians IMO. They also need to adjust how the media is allowed to cover tragedies like this, I'm sure this has given many&nbsp;weirdos&nbsp; ideas of glory just from the non stop coverage of the killer. I know his name, but only one or two of the names of the victims.&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>I agree with you on the legit uses of guns, although protection is a bit weaker of an argument in my mind. &nbsp;I also completely agree on assault weapons but I would add big clips to that as well. &nbsp;Semi-auto rifles with 30 round clips doesn't seem reasonable.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 7:45am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by richardvoyageur</strong></em><br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Being from Wyoming I see the reasoning in owning guns, from hunting, sport shooting, even protection. There does need to be gun law reform though, I've owned many guns in my life, and Assault riffles have nor reasonable purpose for civilians IMO. They also need to adjust how the media is allowed to cover tragedies like this, I'm sure this has given many&nbsp;weirdos&nbsp; ideas of glory just from the non stop coverage of the killer. I know his name, but only one or two of the names of the victims.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 7:07am<br /><br />As a Canadian I won't pretend to know the gun mentality of the US, but it does exist from what I see. &nbsp;People are so reluctant to give up their guns even though it can only make sense to do so. &nbsp;Do you really need 270 million guns kicking around in a country of 300 million people?<div><br></div><div>Is it not the ultimate irony that the perp's mother's guns were used to kill her? &nbsp;Perhaps if she wasn't a gun collector, this guy would have had more trouble getting a hold of weapons and thus had a reduced body count. &nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Obviously you'll never get rid of deranged individuals with the will to do evil things, but I think the setup in the US helps them achieve maximum casualties.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=86065" rel="nofollow">snowj720</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 6:50am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by AJD13</strong></em><br /><br />Gun Control is not the answer... The solution lies in either arming the teachers, or placing police within the school. My middle school and high school had school resource officers inside the school who were actual cops that worked for our town. There would be at least one of them in the building at all times, ussually in the front of the building like the main office area, or in the classrooms teaching dare. Sounds smart to me to start placing cops in the schools like mine did... just makes sense to me.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>It sad that it comes down to that, but it does make sense to have trained law enforcement in the schools.&nbsp; This world has just gone mad.&nbsp; Tragedies on a daily basis anymore.&nbsp; ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=147223" rel="nofollow">Oinker</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/17/2012 at 6:36am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" =Ms&#111;normal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><FONT size=2>This goes far beyond gun control. The 'issue' runs much deeper that causes people to turn to&nbsp;such violence. It's not as simple as change some gun laws and this type of violence will stop. I don't know what the answer is but it's something that runs much deeper in the american culture. This is not only about guns.</FONT></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : Having psychological tests performed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=192451" rel="nofollow">CassinoNorth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 8:11pm<br /><br />Having psychological tests performed on people buying guns is never a bad option...if you can't understand why, I don't know what to tell you.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=284833" rel="nofollow">AJD13</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 5:02pm<br /><br />Gun Control is not the answer... The solution lies in either arming the teachers, or placing police within the school. My middle school and high school had school resource officers inside the school who were actual cops that worked for our town. There would be at least one of them in the building at all times, ussually in the front of the building like the main office area, or in the classrooms teaching dare. Sounds smart to me to start placing cops in the schools like mine did... just makes sense to me.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 4:17pm<br /><br />It is really sad how the media make these guys out to be so big. &nbsp;They plaster their names all over the places and no one knows the names of the victims, only the perps. &nbsp;These guys know they will not be forgotten (although certainly&nbsp;vilified). &nbsp;Maybe they get a sick satisfaction in that, and pushes them towards this stuff. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358287" rel="nofollow">Lushes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 3:29pm<br /><br />So sad. I don't think this has to do with gun control]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=340028" rel="nofollow">snowboardinrox357</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 3:06pm<br /><br />I feel sorry for the victims of the Connecticut shooting. They were so young. People should'nt be allowed to carry guns around like this. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/16/2012 at 12:36pm<br /><br />Dr Park Dietz a Forensic Psychiatrist discusses what is wrong with TV networks when they cover tragic strories and mass killings.<br>&nbsp;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=PezlFNTGWv4#t=100s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=PezlFNTGWv4#t=100s</a>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/15/2012 at 11:45am<br /><br />If you do a google search you will find a person that committed a mass stabbing in China on the same day.  Luckily no one was killed but this person attacked children as well.  What kind of world do we live in?]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6230" rel="nofollow">360faceplant</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/15/2012 at 11:35am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by Angry Midget Yo</strong></em><br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 360faceplant</strong></em><br /><br /><p>They're saying it's 1 person.&nbsp; They found his dad's body at his house also.&nbsp; Then apparently he went to the school and killed his mother who worked there.&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>If that's the case then he has really bad aim if his target was only one person. &nbsp;I wonder what kind of family issue they were having at home or if any.</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>It was one person as in 1 shooter.&nbsp; Jesus, how effin stupid are you sometimes???</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting :   Originally posted by 360faceplantThey&amp;#039;re...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=249646" rel="nofollow">Angry Midget Yo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/15/2012 at 10:45am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by 360faceplant</strong></em><br /><br /><p>They're saying it's 1 person.&nbsp; They found his dad's body at his house also.&nbsp; Then apparently he went to the school and killed his mother who worked there.&nbsp;</p></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>If that's the case then he has really bad aim if his target was only one person. &nbsp;I wonder what kind of family issue they were having at home or if any.</div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4550" rel="nofollow">haiv143</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/15/2012 at 10:41am<br /><br />Makes me sick to the bone that some one so twisted in the USA can do this kind of stuff to little kids. My heart goes out the victim's family.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/15/2012 at 9:28am<br /><br />&#091;QUOTE=Lux&#093;<div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"><t></t><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="bbquote"="" style="width: 1113.4000244140625px;"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacquet</em></strong><br><br>Take these drugs and you will be fine. Ban these guns and the mass killings will stop. Put these groups of people in these housing projects and things will get better. When will people understand that issues like mental illness, violence, and poverty are extremely complex realities that can't be solved with a quick fix.</td></tr></t></table></div><div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">I agree with this, wholly. The crux of the matter isn't that you need stability by method of enforcing more control through more laws. Rather, it's that you need to improve the morale of your citizens. And, while USA is, allegedly, a highly developed and prosperous nation, serious, highly complex social problems exist. And these persistent issues are certainly not recent developments in America...&#091;QUOTE&#093;\</div><div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"><br></div><div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">^This is a very good take. I also heard an opinion that i was intrigued by. What if all these mass shootings had occurred as a terrorist attacks. Like taliban attack theather, school, shoots congresswoman. How pissed off would people in america be and how quickly would we seek justice as a people. instead of oh that's a crazy a hole nothing you can really do to fix that. &nbsp;I agree mental health is an issue for sure but take away that guys gun and maybe you just have 22 kids with knife wounds instead of dead children.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=210794" rel="nofollow">Von44</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:00pm<br /><br />Hearing about shootings that involve children just makes me sick. Anyone who hides behind a gun then take their own life is a female genitals imo.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320370" rel="nofollow">Lux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 9:29pm<br /><br />&#091;tube&#093;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jElSZFo3XFo&#091;/tube&#093;<div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by jacquet</strong></em><br /><br />Take these drugs and you will be fine. Ban these guns and the mass killings will stop. Put these groups of people in these housing projects and things will get better. When will people understand that issues like mental illness, violence, and poverty are extremely complex realities that can't be solved with a quick fix.</td></tr></table></div><div>I agree with this, wholly. The crux of the matter isn't that you need stability by method of enforcing more control through more laws. Rather, it's that you need to improve the morale of your citizens. And, while USA is, allegedly, a highly developed and prosperous nation, serious, highly complex social problems exist. And these persistent issues are certainly not recent developments in America...</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=268398" rel="nofollow">jacquet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 8:48pm<br /><br />Take these drugs and you will be fine. Ban these guns and the mass killings will stop. Put these groups of people in these housing projects and things will get better. When will people understand that issues like mental illness, violence, and poverty are extremely complex realities that can't be solved with a quick fix.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=287463" rel="nofollow">motoxninja80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 7:52pm<br /><br />This tragedy is awful. I hope that this shooting will force people to take more action to prevent these kinds of incidents.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=331686" rel="nofollow">twolf123</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 7:20pm<br /><br />coincidentally today in china, a man SLASHED 22 children.<div><br></div><div>yeah, gun control isn't the answer...and i seriously hope people start asking the question of "mental health".</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=84533" rel="nofollow">shwazy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 5:54pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/blogs/w&#111;nkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/<wbr>blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/<wbr>nine-facts-about-guns-and-<wbr>mass-shootings-in-the-united-<wbr>states/</a><div><br></div><div>might be interesting to some people</div></td></tr></table><div>found it interesting...thanks for posting.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=340077" rel="nofollow">humblerooster</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 5:15pm<br /><br />I dont think gun control will have an impact anytime soon, but it could 50 years down the road when people dont see it as an option. Just my 2 cents. It's a horrible thing that happened and it is super sad to see so many innocent people and sweet kids get killed.  <img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=11953" rel="nofollow">Krazylegz1485</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 4:23pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br />I wish the person responsible didn't kill himself so the parents of the kids could torture his ass in the backwoods&nbsp;somewhere. <br><div></td></tr></table><br><br>Yes.<br><br><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by diviesti</strong></em><br /><br /></div><div>Gun control won't keep weapons out of those who seek them,&nbsp;that&nbsp;isn't the answer.</div></td></tr></table><br><br>And, yes.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=262453" rel="nofollow">fj5</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 3:54pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by sixpoint</strong></em><br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;"><b>If you are capable of killing people randomly, that you do not know you are a sick desensitized human being.</b> I wish he would have shot himself first. &nbsp;Gun control isn't the answer, people are the answer. Thugs are going to get firearms and use them in appropriately.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Isn't war the same thing?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320370" rel="nofollow">Lux</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 3:47pm<br /><br />He won the pistol round but died before planting the bomb, thereby losing his opportunity to buy the AWP.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 3:45pm<br /><br />do you mean like gun control as in no guns or just regulation? I for one believe that the average person shouldnt own grenades or rpg's. I understand that isnt guns but that would be weapon control. there havent been people killed in the US by RPG's who's saying that with unlimited access to that people wouldnt have used them. i guess people being the answer isnt really working right now. according to that article the 6 large mass shootings have happened in the past 5 years... &nbsp;Also i actually like guns. I think they are fun and people should own them but its just interesting where the line should be drawn. Most people dont want it changed at all.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=74197" rel="nofollow">sixpoint</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 3:37pm<br /><br /><div style="text-align: center;">If you are capable of killing people randomly, that you do not know you are a sick desensitized human being. I wish he would have shot himself first. &nbsp;Gun control isn't the answer, people are the answer. Thugs are going to get firearms and use them in appropriately.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 3:28pm<br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/blogs/w&#111;nkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/<wbr>blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/<wbr>nine-facts-about-guns-and-<wbr>mass-shootings-in-the-united-<wbr>states/</a><div><br></div><div>might be interesting to some people</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 2:45pm<br /><br />i can see that, if the killer was abused by the parents and he went nuts and wanted to kill his parents..but, why does he have to go an shoot all the little kindergarten kids that don't have anything to do with him? <img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Cry" title="Cry" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=354951" rel="nofollow">sideways99</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 2:15pm<br /><br />Terrible tragedy.  Anyone who kills innocent people deserves to rot in hell but someone who kills innocent children is the lowest form of crap on earth.  Pathetic.  My heart goes out to the families affected by this tragedy.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=321811" rel="nofollow">Huckster92</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 2:13pm<br /><br />So sad to hear about all the children and staff at the school.... thoughts and prayers go out to the families!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=239012" rel="nofollow">bootleg</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 1:53pm<br /><br />Just read this in the paper, sick of hearing these sad stories about some idiot shooting innocent bystanders and for what.Don't think gun control will solved this problem,there are too many frequent shootings lately across the country.]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : It&amp;#039;s a horrble tragedy when...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=147223" rel="nofollow">Oinker</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 12:47pm<br /><br />It's a horrble tragedy when this happens to any one.... but why, why children? What is wrong with this world?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=42321" rel="nofollow">julius77</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 12:40pm<br /><br />I don't know if gun and/or media control will stop sick bastards from doing sick bastard things. My prayers will be for those affected and for the children and adults who lost their lives too early this morning.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=320099" rel="nofollow">timpiper</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 12:26pm<br /><br />This is disgusting to hear. Gun control will not curb psychotic behavior]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295653" rel="nofollow">woodhomie1996</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 12:18pm<br /><br />I hate hearing about this kind of stuff. <br />IT MAKES ME SICK!!!<br />Why target an elementary school]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=6230" rel="nofollow">360faceplant</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:56am<br /><br /><p>They're saying it's 1 person.&nbsp; They found his dad's body at his house also.&nbsp; Then apparently he went to the school and killed his mother who worked there.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=308446" rel="nofollow">iamjason10</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:54am<br /><br />i hate hearing about things like this, makes me so sad, i dont think gun control is the answer, perhaps if the media didn't give so much attention to the last mall shooting this wouldnt have happened?]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=127" rel="nofollow">rzero</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:53am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by highway12south</strong></em><br /><br />Baffling, Hope they catch the 2nd SOB</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>It was a reported person that left the school shortly after the shooting started. They are in custody for questioning. Could have been a parent dropping her kids book off or something.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=60826" rel="nofollow">highway12south</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:45am<br /><br />Baffling, Hope they catch the 2nd SOB]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=329615" rel="nofollow">bweston</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:43am<br /><br />I think if bullets were made more expensive it would be better than removing guns.  Chris Rock says it perfect. "If bullets cost a $1000 you wouldn't see any drive by shootings."  If we take away guns you will see people in crowds stabbing the crap out of people, or using guns that are smuggled in.  At the end of the day, these people are sick in the mind and if they want to hurt themselves or others they will find a way to do it.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=94767" rel="nofollow">Blur510</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:38am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><strong><em>Originally posted by bdanross</strong></em><br /><br />Another shooting this one with kids. What are peoples thoughts on this? Apparently Gov. Hickenlooper of CO wants to bring up the issue of gun control. These kind of things seem to be happening more frequently. Im interested to hear opinions.</td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Gun control is not the answer.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=245841" rel="nofollow">lightning80</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:20am<br /><br />looks like it's 2 gunmen..1 was killed..the other got away.<DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>gun control can work, if anyone found with a gun is shot on the spot.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=163760" rel="nofollow">diviesti</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:04am<br /><br />I hate hearing about shit like this, I wish the person responsible didn't kill himself so the parents of the kids could torture his ass in the backwoods&nbsp;somewhere. My heart goes out to the families affected by this.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Gun control won't keep weapons out of those who seek them,&nbsp;that&nbsp;isn't the answer.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=127" rel="nofollow">rzero</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 11:03am<br /><br />I blame the internet.<div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=326904" rel="nofollow">kyle521</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:58am<br /><br />27 dead 18 kids. sexual act scary how something like this can happen so close to home]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=249646" rel="nofollow">Angry Midget Yo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:55am<br /><br />Updated news, 24 are dead and mostly children. &nbsp;]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : What a sick bastard. I hope he...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=181618" rel="nofollow">letourneau41</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:52am<br /><br />What a sick bastard. &nbsp;I hope he enjoys rotting in hell. &nbsp;Why would you target elementary kids?]]>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : I get how someone could be pissed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=236597" rel="nofollow">richardvoyageur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:50am<br /><br />I get how someone could be pissed enough at someone to want to kill them, but KIDS? &nbsp;How can you possibly need to do something like this to a bunch of school kids? &nbsp;It's&nbsp;despicable, I'm glad the guy bit it. &nbsp;Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for this guy for the next 80 years.<div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Connecticut Shooting : I think it&amp;#039;s because of doomsday,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=249646" rel="nofollow">Angry Midget Yo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:31am<br /><br />I think it's because of doomsday, people are thinking they are gonna die anyways so might as well go out with a big bang. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" />]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.trusnow.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=300591" rel="nofollow">bdanross</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 53123<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec/14/2012 at 10:26am<br /><br />Another shooting this one with kids. What are peoples thoughts on this? Apparently Gov. Hickenlooper of CO wants to bring up the issue of gun control. These kind of things seem to be happening more frequently. Im interested to hear opinions.]]>
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