Jesus Christ

Originally posted by robnezz23 The evidence I have is all around me, every day.  While it is possible that evolution/natural selection/survival of the fittest exists, that does nothing to address the distinct possibility that God set those mechanisms in motion from the beginning, and we are now just a product of that.   Anyways, this thread was supposed to be about Jesus, not a debate over the existence of God, Allah, or a higher power.  I apologize for getting off-track.  But this is a healthy discussion, and I thank you all for your input.

Originally posted by snow4life you cant really do anything without God. God is love, power. he is awesome. i proud to be saved and a christian and not afraid to say it yo.

Originally posted by E13 Drop a penny off a table and you can prove that it will travel at 9.81 m/s.

I just have to point out that if dropped in a vacuum the penny will accelerate at about 9.8 m/s^2 towards the earth. The velocity at which it hits the ground is given by the formula v=sqrt(2gh) (it's probably not going to be 9.81 m/s). If it is not dropped in a vacuum, it will accelerate at a slightly different rate due to the effects of air resistance.

Originally posted by alteran Originally posted by E13 Drop a penny off a table and you can prove that it will travel at 9.81 m/s. I just have to point out that if dropped in a vacuum the penny will accelerate at about 9.8 m/s^2 towards the earth. The velocity at which it hits the ground is given by the formula v=sqrt(2gh) (it's probably not going to be 9.81 m/s). If it is not dropped in a vacuum, it will accelerate at a slightly different rate due to the effects of air resistance.

No, I meant god.

Originally posted by Suicide This thread isn't even about god so your post is worthless

what the heck is this guy talking about? lol. reminds me of alka.. hmm he joined today...
ANYWAY
i believe that religion and politics are inappropriate subjects to talk about in a public setting, (public forums included)

EDIT
actually, i was joking about the alka thing at first. but after reading around the forums, alot of this guys posts seem really similar.... IP check? lol

god is never in California this time of year.  Praise be to Allah and Ullr for that.

Originally posted by E13 Originally posted by robnezz23 If you are religious and/or spiritual, why does that have to mean that you've lost your rationality?  Adam and Eve.  Noah's ark.  Demons. Angels. God. Heaven. Hell. The list of fantasies absolutely fabricated to manipulate mankind over the ions go on and on.  It's absolute balderdash.  If you disagree, show me some proof and I'll be on your side.  Don't point at the bible or the churches either, for man create anything and everything in them.

What is irrational about any of the things you listed? Or any of the other miraculous events recorded in the Bible, for that matter? Calling something 'absolute balderdash' and 'absolutely fabricated' isn't much of an argument against it, just your personal opinion. Also, doesn't calling something 'absolute' anything put the burden of proof on you? What evidence do you have that the Bible is 'absolutely' what you say it is? Does the absence of proof necessarily make anything untrue? That just makes it unprovable, right? No more, no less.

It's hard to argue with your 'logic'.  I'm vested because I believe that the absurd and fabricated ideas should be done away with in our society unless used to tell little bed time stories to small children (not to be taken seriously).  Do you actually believe those things? Noah's ark? Adam and Eve, creationism, etc?!?!?! REALLY!??! Would you bet your and your family's life on it?

You have to believe in something

Attrox, right on bro. Best time with God is going up the skii lift. And for the record. I want to respond to all the conversation going on in the blog I started. I have thoughts on this stuff.

Dear suicide, how can a guy with that name make a comment about God. God IS Jesus. Part of the trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Did you know that America was Founded by Christopher Columbus, who was a christian. Also, Pilgrams came over here from England. Where the only allowed worship was catholic. America was founded so christians could freely worship God. Are you a christian? Just wondering

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I like pie.

I hope that the pastor that is threatening to publicly burn a copy of the Quran on 9/11 wakes up and sees the harm that he would bring to himself, his family, his church, and, most importantly, the name of his Savior and publicly repents of his plan before it is too late.

Originally posted by ty One bad apple can ruin the bunch. I agree that publicly burning the Quran is a stupid idea. Radical Muslims already hate Christians for stuff that happened hundreds of years ago + they hate western capitalism, so lets not be giving them fuel for their fire.

Originally posted by snowboardslidur Did you know that America was Founded by Christopher Columbus, who was a christian. Also, Pilgrams came over here from England. Where the only allowed worship was catholic. America was founded so christians could freely worship God. Are you a christian? Just wondering

Right on sgreen, it would be so wrong of that pastor to antaganize the people we are supposed to be loving. Admittingly, if I had lost my dad(who was working 2-3 blocks away at the time) it would be a little harder to forgive them for that. But we shouldn't return evil for evil. Even though on 9/11, there were muslims in the streets of…the USA burning american flags.

In case I forget to post this on 9/11. Building a mosque on/near ground zero would be like tearing the sunken battle ships ont of the ground at Pearl Harbor, and putting in a huge memorial for the fallen japanese planes and their loved family members. People have to wake up and…(sure, smell the coffee) they don't realize what's going on in NY. I heard on the radio while listening to rush on 770 am, he had a representitive who was a big shot muslim. He said it would be in their best interest to build something else there. Because people are still hurtung. Basically what he said. I'm not all for supporting other religions or giving them a place to worship(especially right next to ground zer0) I love all people, not what the do or their religion. In Christ Jesus I am free to love everyone. Technically though, the muslims own the land and can do whatever they want with it. As a joke "I think the reason Obama wants the mosque there is so he cam worship with people of his religion" while that is a joke. It's part ture. Obama is a muslim. Sure, he's said that he's a christian on TV and all that jazz. . .but you have to live it. You can't say homosexual is ok, or abortion. Since when have we covered up MURDER with a nice lil' pro choice. That isn't fair for the baby. The baby would definately choose live. As for the girls that had gotten pregnant out of wedlock and for whatever reason:poor, school, doesn't want the child rape, she should still have the child anyway. Killing the baby as an "unwated choice" is more wrong than having it and putting it up for adoption.

As for homosexual is ok. God made Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Sure, it could be natural for a guy to like another guy, but it's still wrong. And believe it or not. God's way of doing things is way more fun that living in sin. God blesses and rewards those who are faithful. Sin is sooo much fun, I won't lie to you. (Honest part)I am a christian and I give in to temptation sometimes(many varieties), of course I feel terrible after I do, but I ask for forgiveness from God and he loves us so much I'm forgiven instantly. You can't imagine the feeling of realease. But it isn't worth it in the end. It leaves you feeling hopeless. Sin pulls you away from God. Big and small. Lying, stealing, drinking, smoking, sex b 4 marriage(marriage and SEX are some of God's gifts to us. Anyone can have sex, but it's been statistically proven christians enjoy it more. )anyway… honor God and he will bless you. Sin is only fun while you are doing it(regardless of what it is) then you don't feel happy. Money doesn't make you happy either. All the people who have money want more and aren't satisfied. . .ever. and their lives are a mess. Happyness, by deffinition, is said to be relying on what you are phisically doing or seeing. Joy is what stays with you once that happy feeling is gone. God gives you joy and peace, witch goes beyond our understanding. Their's my '2 cents' over and out.

anyone see Louie, the new louis ck series on fx? last weeks episode on religion was funny as crap..."you did this! you did this with your sin! you murdered our saviour, with your sin!" a nun pointing to jesus on the cross and speaking to a bunch of six year olds. by the way, christian or not the guy down in GA has every right to burn the koran, typically christian, the burning of the library in alexanderia, and the skinning of the librarian by christians around the first millenium, is said to have put the human race back at least a thousand years...with the lost of that knowledge.

Originally posted by eldolocal68 by the way, christian or not the guy down in GA has every right to burn the koran,

   That pastor, as a Christian, claims to serve the Author of all human rights, and as such has a duty to live by the spirit, as well as the written will, of God. He claims, as a Christian, to live by the highest morality and will not stand or fall before God based on which of his actions was protected by the 1st Amendment or any other part of the US Constitution. Because he claims to be acting as a Christian, Constitutional rights are irrelevant here. Christian opposition to the threatened Koran-burning, hopefully, comes from a divine perspective, not a man-made one.

Originally posted by eldolocal68 typically christian, the burning of the library in alexanderia, and the skinning of the librarian by christians around the first millenium, is said to have put the human race back at least a thousand years...with the lost of that knowledge.

   How is burning "the koran, typically christian"? Because of something that may or may not have been perpetrated by a Christian leader 1600+ years ago? (And how would anyone ever go about determining "how far" any event, let alone the burning of a library, could "set back the human race"?) I've never heard of anybody burning the Koran before. I'm not saying it hasn't been done, just that it's not so epidemic that it gets any newsplay. In your mind, is flying jets into skyscrapers and beheading hostages in front of a camera "typically" Islamic?
   What do you know about Christianity, the Christianity that Jesus established through his life and teachings and was elaborated in the New Testament? (There is no other) From what I've read on this thread and others, you seem to look at Christianity from a purely historical perspective, judging it as a whole only from the deeds of it's followers, particularly those catastrophic failures. Judging a religion, or any movement for that matter, by it's adherents isn't completely unfair, but you seem to be pretty one-sided on the issue of Christianity. I think if you truly understood what Christianity was, you'd realize that all of the atrocities committed "in the name of Christ" were completely in opposition to what Jesus taught. Christianity is, and always will be, what Jesus taught, not what man has tried to make of it.

Originally posted by sgreen Originally posted by eldolocal68 by the way, christian or not the guy down in GA has every right to burn the koran,    That pastor, as a Christian, claims to serve the Author of all human rights, and as such has a duty to live by the spirit, as well as the written will, of God. He claims, as a Christian, to live by the highest morality and will not stand or fall before God based on which of his actions was protected by the 1st Amendment or any other part of the US Constitution. Because he claims to be acting as a Christian, Constitutional rights are irrelevant here. Christian opposition to the threatened Koran-burning, hopefully, comes from a divine perspective, not a man-made one. Originally posted by eldolocal68 typically christian, the burning of the library in alexanderia, and the skinning of the librarian by christians around the first millenium, is said to have put the human race back at least a thousand years...with the lost of that knowledge.    How is burning "the koran, typically christian"? Because of something that may or may not have been perpetrated by a Christian leader 1600+ years ago? (And how would anyone ever go about determining "how far" any event, let alone the burning of a library, could "set back the human race"?) I've never heard of anybody burning the Koran before. I'm not saying it hasn't been done, just that it's not so epidemic that it gets any newsplay. In your mind, is flying jets into skyscrapers and beheading hostages in front of a camera "typically" Islamic?    What do you know about Christianity, the Christianity that Jesus established through his life and teachings and was elaborated in the New Testament? (There is no other) From what I've read on this thread and others, you seem to look at Christianity from a purely historical perspective, judging it as a whole only from the deeds of it's followers, particularly those catastrophic failures. Judging a religion, or any movement for that matter, by it's adherents isn't completely unfair, but you seem to be pretty one-sided on the issue of Christianity. I think if you truly understood what Christianity was, you'd realize that all of the atrocities committed "in the name of Christ" were completely in opposition to what Jesus taught. Christianity is, and always will be, what Jesus taught, not what man has tried to make of it.

What about the rest of the bible where murder, rape, incest etc is just all part of the norm?  For example

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

or maybe

Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah

or how bout this

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

So how exactly can we trust people who believe this stuff?  Beats me.

Originally posted by BudAshes   ... What about the rest of the bible where murder, rape, incest etc is just all part of the norm?  For example And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves or maybe Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah or how bout this Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. So how exactly can we trust people who believe this stuff?  Beats me.

As I said before, by understanding it. Will you explain to me what you think these verses mean? Give the other readers some context. Why were these things said? You've chosen to quote three passages out of hundreds to make what point? That "murder, rape, incest etc" (What acts does "etc" represent?) is somehow part of the Christian heritage? Even the law of Moses condemns "murder, rape, incest". 

Know Jesus, know peace. No Jesus, no peace. Don't look to things or a diet or whatever for peace/peace of mind. I've found it in Christ Jesus my savior.