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snowflakez
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Topic: JumpsPosted: Nov/10/2012 at 12:58pm |
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Last year I tried the terrain park at Mt. Rose. Unfortunately I fell/crashed 99% of the time. Other times I sort of wimped out. Does anyone have any tips of how to brave the ramps.
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jhoang6
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 1:34pm |
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First off I think you'll need to learn how to ollie or pop onto the thing, There are some good videos on here as well as thrive's site were dougie has more videos u can check out here http://www.thrivesnowboards.com/rp/89726
Once you're comfortable you'll have loads more confident so u don't wimp out. Try out the flat boxes, they're pretty place to start as well.
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scuddera
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 1:44pm |
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you got to committ. no speed checks.. stay forward.. and rip it. the more you think about the pain the more likely to back out. Wear a helmet as well. highly not recommended but I occasionally hit the hill drunk from the night before and Im damn ballsy then lol
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jhoang6
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 1:55pm |
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^ LOL yes that works too so long as you're legal drinking age.
I've done it myself, not the BEST idea but if you're looking purely not to wimp out..*thumbs up*
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letourneau41
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 2:27pm |
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There are several videos on Youtube to give you pointers and set up tips.
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Timmay_650
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 2:54pm |
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Learn the basic first. Be able to do a lot faster than you need to hit the jump. You wont be able to do the park well until you are a strong rider. Once you are comfortable riding, the park will come. So i would say spend a day going as fast as you can, just burn it down the mountain.
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gunda pickle
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 3:30pm |
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Learn to ride switch!
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dvdngu
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 3:55pm |
YES. learn this after you get your straight air's down. just try out the ramps over and over again. Thats how i learned
watch other people on how fast the go and try and mimic that speed. |
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Lux
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 5:38pm |
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Not only learn riding switch, you must also make switch riding feel like it's normal. That way you can eliminate your body's reluctance to change direction, which would always be happening in the park.
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thisisjoebro
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Posted: Nov/10/2012 at 6:33pm |
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I remember my second day riding a snowboard. My buddy who was teaching me talked me into trying a jump without any advice.
I had been skating for a few years so I thought it would be pretty similar. This jump wasn't very long at all but it was a pretty tall ramp to it. I remember it having a pretty good lip on it too. Well I went up to it with plenty of speed, no hesitation. I was still awkward on a snowboard so I fell of balance at the top. So I launched off my heels. Next thing I know I'm flying laid out on my back hahaha. I land straight on my tail bone. It hurt. I learned not to keep my weight centered when launching of a ramp.
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julius77
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 7:51am |
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I try to stay centered over my bindings- keeping my board flatter on the ground during the approach, get a good pop off the tail at the lip, suck my knees up with the pop of the board, spot my landing and land balanced right over my bindings. that's what works for me.
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irish-boarder
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 9:24am |
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Just go for it. I personally think the hardest part about a jump is having the balls to actually do it. If you whimp out you nail the knuckle and slam yourself hard. Focus on carrying the speed 1st. If you're not sure how much speed you need, go down with someone that's hitting the kicker but stay to the side of it, just match their speed. When you are hitting the kicker, pop and tuck your knee's up, do a grab if you can, this keeps you compact and more stable. Make sure you balance your weight when you leave the kicker, don't lean too far back or forward (unless your intentionally flipping). Good luck!
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 12:38pm |
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Omg thank you for all your help :D. yea i wont deny that im afraid of going too fast. ive done the box a couple of times but im always so slow. i remember trying the box, but i think i lifted by board up and i fell face flat into the box. should i lean forward or try to keep my weight centered?
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 2:27pm |
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I remember my first time on boxes, i couldn't stay on them and fell of the side. To me, the takeoff to the feature is the most important. and keeping your knees slightly bent for balance is great also
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 5:54pm |
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oh so when you approach the box should you jump on and just let your board sort of slide onto it?
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jhoang6
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 6:00pm |
The box that I got onto I just slid through it. Depends on the box, On the entry u might have to pop onto it then just slide it out.
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2zz
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 6:22pm |
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Just do lean on ur back leg. Even pressure on both legs while on the box n look pass the box. Make u have enough speed.
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JDiggidy
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 6:26pm |
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I always keep my eyes on the ends of the boxes. your board goes where your eyes point, so you don't want to look down or anything. :D
Some boxes require a little ollie, some you can just slide on to. Personally, I think it's actually better to ollie on, because it gives you a chance to proactively Stomp on and lock it in. Instead of passively ho humming along.
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steezemisterr
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 7:44pm |
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Its all about commitment. If you secondguess yourself when youre about to take off you are pretty much screwed.
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snowboardinrox357
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 7:49pm |
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Whenever I do jumps, I always lose my balance and land face-first or flat on my back. How to stabilize yourself so you don't fall?
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steezemisterr
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 7:53pm |
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When you take off you need to make sure that your weight is balanced so you can keep flat. Too mich weight on the back foot and you land on your back, too much on the front foot and you land on your face. You can try to shift your body mid air but there is only so much you can do if you have a bad takeoff.
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Schutte5
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 8:09pm |
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How do you learn to ride switch?
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thisisjoebro
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 8:15pm |
The same way you leaned to ride the regular way. You go out there and try it and keep doing it.
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tjeddrey
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Posted: Nov/11/2012 at 8:28pm |
when learning to ride switch you just gotta do it. Whenever you are cruising on flats, slower paced trails between your normal trails, going to the park or just whenever the trail you are on isn't all that steep bring the board around and ride switch. focus on doing the basics, the things that are probably second nature now when you are riding regular but dont really work yet when riding switch. You need to make these things feel natural the other way. Keep in mind this isn't going to happen overnight; I have been working on riding switch for over a season now and still don't feel comfortable riding that way on anything more than just the easy trails, and I ride switch any time I am riding with my sister or father. So basically you just gotta do it and keep doing it until it starts to feel natural
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fj5
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 12:56am |
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I have a similar story to many above... I went to the park sober for the first half of the day. My balance was great, but I was skeptic before every lift off and it made for painful results. So, my friend and I took our customary beer break in the parking lot, and since we didn't have any food, we were quick to get buzzed. Second half of the day, I had no issue getting on and off the features (boxes and jumps)... the problem was riding out afterward, my balance was whack... but hey, I had a much better time and had more fun! Laughed more too.
Definitely commit, otherwise you're setting yourself up for failure. If you speed check, you won't have enough to get any lift, if you think too much, you'll miss the jump window and wipe out nose first. I don't think it's wise to go after the same feature over and over if you're hesitating. If you find that happens, go to a feature where you're more confident and hit that at least a few times. Once you build up enough positive (non-hesitating) momentum... have a beer... then go back to the bigger hard feature. Good luck! As for riding switch, it's back to square one. It's like your first day all over again, but the good thing is you should already know how to fall and get back up efficiently at this point so it should take less time. It took me 4 solid days of forcing myself to do it before I was 100% comfortable switch. The best tip I can give is stand in front of the mirror in your normal stance and face forward as if you were riding straight. Then "switch". Be mindful of your reflection and match it perfectly. That "twisted/torqued" feeling around your hips and waist, make a note of it because you'll realize it's a lot "further" than when you first tried it. Trust me, you'll get what I mean. When I realized to torque further, my switch balance improved dramatically.
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 11:32am |
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okay so sometimes at the end of the box theres like a dent in the snow (basically the box and the snow arent smoothed out so there is no ramp/hill effect). when getting off the box do you jump off or just let your board slide down with the momentum?
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julius77
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 11:39am |
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I always try to pop an ollie at the end of any box. It helps with spotting the landing. Just sliding off seems less safe.
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 11:56am |
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kay thanks. btw would you recommend being 100% comfortable with switch riding before attempting the terrain park?
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julius77
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 12:10pm |
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Nah, you can 50/50 boxes all day without knowing how to ride switch.
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 12:24pm |
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And you can learn how to ride switch at the terrain park.
Thats what I did. I would do a 180 off a little jump and try to roll away switch. I got better and better at riding switch. boardslides to switch are super fun to do. |
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 12:32pm |
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Definitely DO speed checks when you begin the more speed the less control to begin with. Make sure your landing is nice and flat so both bindings hit the ground at the same time. It makes a nice thud sound.
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 12:47pm |
Sorry, I should say that you should speed check at least the first time you hit a feature. Makes a world of difference for your future jumps. Never hit a feature "blind", basic park safety practice. I would suggest learning switch outside of park makes a world of difference in the park. I felt much more confident in the park and as an overall rider after learning switch. |
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 1:08pm |
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You should definitely speed check but make sure you have enough speed to clear the gap. Watch people before you and see what kind of speed you need. The first time hitting a feature i personally like carrying a little extra speed because id rather land a little further down the landing than knuclkling.
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jhoang6
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 1:11pm |
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I don't think i know how to "fall properly" ^
Tried to ride switch, some days I'm super comfortable other days I feel like i'm going to catch and edge.. hate that feeling, messes with your confidence and u can't do what u want. I would pop off the box if there's a dent/gap don't need to learn switch but it does help if you land on ur switch
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 1:30pm |
But do you remember what happened to Sebastien Toutant when he tried the super jump the first time without checking his speed? ![]() |
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jhoang6
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 4:37pm |
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he said he did 2 speed checks but still ended up going too fast.. and ouch! what a way to fall...
not something u wanna scare people with hahaha
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Posted: Nov/12/2012 at 5:48pm |
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Yeah, I realized after that he said he checked twice... man, who would ever want to go first after that!?
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/13/2012 at 5:17pm |
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lol so for beginners should you go quickly or slowly when attempting the box? i can ride switch but im uncomfortable with goofy toeside >.< qq
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 11:21am |
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For box, I would sugggest u go a speed that's comfortable for you.
Say you go slow.. you'll be moving across the box really slow might end up just tipping over the end. You go fast and its too quick for you to respond and setup for your exit. Keep practising your switch. Work on toeside exercises if you're having trouble on it.
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 11:27am |
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faster=better on a box. too slow, you shift your weight at all and you slide out and fall. that hurts.
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 2:40pm |
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Any speed is fine on a box. Hitting abox is more about keeping your weight balanced than anything else.
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 2:49pm |
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Just rememeber on boxes don't even think about using your edges, centered and balanced is where you want to be. Your speed on approach will come with confidence, but the second you lean one way goodnight. |
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 3:40pm |
I learned this the hard way. On my first try, I got on... was losing my line so I tried to "steer"... big mistake.
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 5:11pm |
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so basically you want to keep your weight centered so no leaning forward/backward?
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 5:20pm |
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You can lean forward or backward in the direction your board points and flexes which is how you press. Just don't even think about leaning toeside or heelside trying to carve on the box.
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snowflakez
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 5:22pm |
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mkay thanks. cant wait till break so i can try the boxes again. hopefully ill get better
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 5:36pm |
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Just dont be afraid. Approach the box thinking your gonna make it your bitch and youll do fine. Best of luck man.
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Posted: Nov/14/2012 at 7:11pm |
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Literally, dont try to control anything when youre on a box. Just stay centered at all times.
If you are sliding off, then slide off. If you try to control it, you are most likely to slip and whip out. |
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