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Muse25
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Topic: Riding through trees tipPosted: Dec/27/2012 at 7:28pm |
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I got into riding in between the trees last season and I love the pow stashes I find! Any tips on how to speed check and go through with clean lines? I like to ride on lines already there, but I prefer to make my own lines. How to better control my board and make turns quicker without nose diving into pow? Or not getting stuck on pow while riding through?
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spenser
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 7:34pm |
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it sounds like you have been snowboarding for a little while, so at this point it really is all about practice IMO. there aren't really many tips that will go beyond what you'll figure out by doing it yourself, if you haven't already done so. one thing is speed management, though. not referring tp skidding to go slower, but managing your turns in different ways (tighter if need be) so you don't go too fast, but are still making real turns and getting through the trees efficiently.
better control and figuring out how to manage lines through trees is something you learn on your own, assuming you have the basics of snowboarding figured out. the obvious is to look a little more ahead than you might normally, depending on your speed and the tree style (big woodsy trees like the northwest VS tight low angle skinny trees VS whatever), but other than that, it really just comes from doing it more and more. you will get the hang of how/when to turn, how to manage your speed properly, etc. as for keeping your nose up, just try not to go too slow, and keep your weight a little back, wherever you find the balance point. the right board can make a huge difference too, though... like a burton fish for example. fishing on a pow day through the woods is one of the best things in snowboarding.
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Piranha
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 7:51pm |
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for a cleaner line, maybe do a lot of smaller turns than big skidding turns (doesn't apply to pre-made tracks). A board with built in "set-back" helps keep your nose up, helps not getting stuck and allows you to relax more.
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CassinoNorth
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 8:34pm |
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Make sure you're planning a turn or two ahead so you don't get too surprised by any trees in your path and get stuck in the brush. Picking a line as far ahead as you can definitely aids in speed management and finding the best pow in there.
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haiv143
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Posted: Dec/27/2012 at 10:44pm |
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I rode through trees last year and absolutely loved it. Even though I sucked pretty bad and got lost a couple of times in the trees it was super fun ( I ended up following people's tracks to get down.) I love exploring! Anyone ride in the CO area? I rode Keystone's bowl last year but wondered if any surrounding resorts got big tree area to explore.
I learned to look few turns ahead and make sharp turns. Cause if I didn't I would; 1. Get stuck 2. Nose dive in powder 3. Run into a tree or rock |
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humblerooster
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 1:30am |
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A little tip for tree runs is, when you get scared avoid trying to grab a tree at all costs. Two of my friends tree riding, one grabs a tree BOOM broken wrist, the other is right behind him grabs the same tree BOOM broken wrist. Make sure you avoid it.
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djmaya
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 9:09am |
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Get a Fish! It is simply amazing for tree. It will help with super tight turns and you float even at 1/2 a mile per hour.
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kirium81
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 9:25am |
If you ride enough and can invest in a pow board, this makes a huge difference as others here stated. But if you don't ride enough to get another board, try putting your settings back. This can help with keeping your weight back. And like others said, scan farther down the slopes that you normally would. You should always try to see your next 2-3 turns. Also be cautious if you see a big pow stash along a groomed run that you want to hit. It just might be untracked because its a flat and other people left it alone knowing they would get stuck if they went in. Definitely helps going with someone that knows the resort well to avoid flat parts. Or than that, its all the same as everything else, just keep trying. Hitting pow through trees is definitely an amazing part of boarding.
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shwazy
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 9:32am |
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try not to be passive...and take a more active rather than reactive approach. When I get in the mindset of that I am in control of dictating my turns as opposed to the trees dictating my turns the flow increases and the run is always more satisfying. Please do not interpret this as being a crazy fool :)
You can practice falling leaf style turns on groomers and try and get them as tight as possible in quick succession. In Tahoe we have super tight tree runs where the ability to turn quickly back and forth while checking speed in steeps is very helpful in my opinion. Getting a pow specific board is priority number one in my view. Riding a fuller rockered board or a pow specific 20mm taper or more board can really help and increases stoke.
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 10:55am |
I would take a broken wrist over falling into a tree well.
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Muse25
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 11:55am |
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Awesome advice! Thanks guys!! I was also wondering when doing my turns what my weight ratio should be, front and back? I find my weight more on the back and follow through with my front. I would say, 75% on my back and 25% on my front, to keep the nose up. (I always think the nose would get way too much powder build up on top of it and I get stuck) . Should I just put my stance more to the back? This is when I'm very grateful for the EST feature on my board.
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 12:00pm |
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It's been aluded to above, but the best advice is to look between the trees, not at them. I learned that 100 years ago mountain biking and it's still great advice. Generally speaking you will ride where you are looking. And go real fast
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vicente
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Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 8:20pm |
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wax make sure you've got a good wax job it will do wonders towards keeping you from getting stuck and getting back up to speed when you have to slow way down.
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Commissar
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 11:21am |
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how tight of tree runs are you guys talking about? I went in Winter park a couple years ago, and my buddies went through a very thick wooded area. Did not care for that too much, as I kept falling and getting stuck. They are a lot better than me, but we come from IA so not the best at anything, no place to proactice.
This is my buddy with my camera, going through this run. The first 30 seconds is stuff I have zero issues with, but after that was a nightmare for me. Is this the kind of runs you guys are talking about? Raw video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwb7A_4DAkc |
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 11:59am |
To make viewing a little easier: ^ This is more like the tree runs I see here in the east... it's never quite as glorious as the west coast videos I see online. Quite frankly, runs like these terrify me and I avoid them. I got stuck going through some trees in Whistler a couple years ago and I had to claw my way out. Was exhausting! But runs like this would probably kill me. I remember going into a tree run my first time at Jay Peak, I clearly wasn't ready or good enough. I didn't turn fast enough and ended up ramming my hip into the tree, falling, then all the snow from the tree came down on me... it was like a cartoon. ![]() |
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 12:36pm |
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^^^
Holy SHit! How do you not get lost in there? Looks like you could end up coming out anywhere at then end of the mountain if you don't know where you're going?
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haiv143
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 1:15pm |
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That video has thick forested area--crazy! I was riding through wider space but similar to the video and it took us 45minutes to get from top to button. Not to mention the deep pow. I would recommend having a buddy ride with you. Anything can happen and there's probably no cell signal.
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Angry Midget Yo
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 1:16pm |
There's only one way to go which is down.
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 1:35pm |
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Yeah that run led to a lift, or if you missed the lift there was a traverse that lead back to the other side of the mountain. Couldn't get "lost" in there, but easily get separated from the rest of the group.
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Muse25
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 6:20pm |
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Awesome advice! Thanks guys!! I was also wondering when doing my turns
what my weight ratio should be, front and back? I find my weight more on
the back and follow through with my front. I would say, 75% on my back
and 25% on my front, to keep the nose up. (I always think the nose would
get way too much powder build up on top of it and I get stuck) . Should
I just put my stance more to the back? This is when I'm very grateful
for the EST feature on my board.
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Muse25
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Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 6:25pm |
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Yup! I try not to get too deep into thick wooded areas though. I'm just beginning to get into it. So I practice near the trail so when i keep getting too stuck and too exhausted i bail out back to the groomers.
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